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NAACP Takes On New Confederate Flag Battle
FoxNews ^ | Friday, June 28, 2002 | Orlando Salinas

Posted on 06/29/2002 3:30:08 PM PDT by Michael2001

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:34:04 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

CRESTVIEW, Fla. Like other communities across the south, the Confederate flag has caused quite a stir among the residents of Crestview, Fla., but Florida's latest case doesn't revolve around the rebel flag appearing above the state capital, but over its appearance above a Confederate monument.


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"There's no question that someone's offended by the Confederate flag being flown on public property," Sabu Williams, President of the Okaloosa County NAACP, said.

So what Sabu? You're going to be offended by a lot of things, that's life. I'm offended by a lot of things Sabu, but I move on. In fact Sabu, I'm offended by the fact that you can be part of a group that is dedicated to the "Advancement of Colored People" but if I joined a group dedicated to the advancement of white people I'd be a racist, a bigot, and a Nazi.

(BTW this guys name is funny :))
1 posted on 06/29/2002 3:30:08 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: shuckmaster; stainlessbanner
fyi
2 posted on 06/29/2002 3:34:40 PM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Michael2001
Before they go telling everyone else they are racist, I want the NAACP to take the racist term "Colored People" out of their organization's name.
3 posted on 06/29/2002 3:39:23 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: Michael2001; Paul Atreides
Yes! and Yes!
4 posted on 06/29/2002 3:47:14 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Michael2001
Sabu? Is he a pro-wrestler well known for his harcore, homicidal, genocidal, suicidal ways? The man who brought carnage to ECW. I'm sorry, I had to get that in.
5 posted on 06/29/2002 3:57:12 PM PDT by Sonny M
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To: Michael2001

Heritage Not Hate 0cents Stamps

6 posted on 06/29/2002 4:26:22 PM PDT by Seeking the truth
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To: Sonny M
Sabu? Is he a pro-wrestler well known for his harcore, homicidal, genocidal, suicidal ways?

Naw, he's the Elephant Boy.

Birth name
Sabu Dastagir
Date of birth (location)
27 January 1924,
Karapur, Mysore, India
Date of death (details)
2 December 1963,
Los Angeles, California, USA. (heart attack)
Mini biography
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7 posted on 06/29/2002 5:06:35 PM PDT by JCG
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To: Free the USA; Constitution Day; TomServo; billbears; aomagrat; stainlessbanner; archy; Ligeia; ...
It never ends...
8 posted on 06/29/2002 5:37:25 PM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: Michael2001
DIXIE DITTO'S!


9 posted on 06/29/2002 6:49:28 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: shuckmaster
"It never ends..."

It never ends because we gave them an inch.

10 posted on 06/29/2002 7:18:46 PM PDT by wcbtinman
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To: Michael2001
It's a good thing all the important issues are settled that they can now concentrate on silly fluff.
11 posted on 06/29/2002 7:27:26 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: wcbtinman
now they want to do away with the flag ill get rid of mine when ican get rid of people who keep stepping on my freedom of expression .I dont try to tell them how they should live so dont try to tell me what i can do or dont do
12 posted on 06/29/2002 7:33:21 PM PDT by oiljake
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To: Michael2001
The name is hilarious indeed. Wonder why he didn't change his last name to Nosair or something.
13 posted on 06/29/2002 7:43:03 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: JCG
Hey look, Ma. Here comes the Elephant Boy;

Bundled all up in his corduroys...

Headed down south toward Illinois, from the jungles of East St. Paul.

John Prine
14 posted on 06/29/2002 7:48:00 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: Michael2001
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People says the flag is offensive to blacks and represents a history of hate.

Did it ever occur to these nukleheads that they are in the process of creating there own history of hate.

Note to Sabu, shut up and get over it. Life is full of stuff you don't like. Grown ups say their peace about it or ignore it and get on with their lives.The bottom line is the flag hurts no one. You have no bonafide beef.

15 posted on 06/29/2002 7:57:09 PM PDT by Fzob
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To: rdb3; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; South40; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker; ...
Black conservative ping

If you want on (or off) of my black conservative ping list, please let me know via FREEPmail. (And no, you don't have to be black to be on the list!)

16 posted on 06/29/2002 8:02:56 PM PDT by mhking
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To: Michael2001
A lot of things offend people. There are worse things that offend people than a century old flag. Hey I'm sure the NAACLP is offended by mention of God, but going after Him isn't as politically correct as beating up Southerners and crying "racism." Good grief. Whatever you think of the Confederate emblem in Crestview's city seal, the truth of the matter is not ONE black person has died as a result of its being there. Removing it as Sabu Williams wants won't do one iota to address the real problems black people face today and it will create antagonism and conflict where none existed before. The NAACLP has gotten a lot of mileage out of thrashing around in the past at the expense of dealing with the future.
17 posted on 06/29/2002 8:21:29 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: Michael2001
Some flags hold more power than others, it seems. Whenever I express my displeasure at yet another unkempt Birkenstock-clad freak burning an American flag in "protest", some whiny leftist will sneer that "It's only a piece of cloth". I'll be told to "get over it", "get a life", to stop "being a fascist" and that I shouldn't confuse a symbol with a nation.

Rearrange those same bits of red, white, and blue cloth into another pattern and that symbol mystically transforms into a tool of hate and opression. A tool so powerful, so evil, that it can't even be viewed in public.

I'm offended by certain symbols on my daily drive to work. They aren't symbols of cloth, but rather of paint sprayed onto walls, bridge abutments, highway overpasses, and boxcars, marking the territory of the criminals who placed them there. They don't represent evils committed six generations in the past, they are the marks of evils happening now.

Should the good folks who care so mightily that none be offended wish to do something about it, I'll be happy to forward a list of their locations along with a can of turpentine and a box of toothbrushes to erase them. It would be a much more useful gesture than folding a flag that hasn't flown in battle since my great grandfather was a boy, and it will keep them gainfully employed to boot.

Any bets on the likelyhood I'll get volunteers?

18 posted on 06/29/2002 9:19:24 PM PDT by Denver Ditdat
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To: wcbtinman
It never ends because we gave them an inch.

Exactly, one does not make concessions to groups like the NAACP.
19 posted on 06/29/2002 9:33:09 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: mhking
Thanks for the ping.

Ho-hum- when will the NAACP start dealing with Black student achievement instead of some flag?

20 posted on 06/29/2002 10:46:48 PM PDT by mafree
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To: Michael2001
It's alledgedly Sebu's right not to have to look at it while violating our right not to be able to see it......(I think I said that right ?)

Seditious Judges, Polidiots and Presstitute idiot savants are using their powers these days to sponsor socialist races among the masses........sick bunch of SOB's all around IMHO.

Stay Safe !

22 posted on 06/29/2002 11:47:11 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: mhking
"People are afraid they feel intimidated and offended when they see the flag," Felton Barnes of the SCLC said.

This proves the NAACP has lost it's mandate and have not advanced with the times. "Colored people" have advanced but the NAACP has slithered back into old Jim Crow patterns and ways of thinking.

Their description of how some blacks feel about the flag brings to mind the racist term coon. I am embarrassed to continue to read stories of this issue with the NAACP. This money could be better spent by assisting inner city programs and promoting the development of young talent.

23 posted on 06/30/2002 12:33:01 AM PDT by swheats
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To: swheats
I was never aware that the NAACP had any mandate. It has always been supported mainly by white communists rather than black Americans anyway. Its founder was a communist and its current president is a communist.

Black Americans could kill off the NAACP's undue influence on politics and culture, but nobody else can do so. It wouldn't even take a majority of black Americans to accomplish the demise of this phony organization. A determined minority could do it.

24 posted on 06/30/2002 6:06:26 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: Michael2001
"People are afraid they feel intimidated and offended when they see the flag," Felton Barnes of the SCLC said.

"Intimidated?"

"Intimidated?"

I'm sorry that they feel intimidated. But if they are intimidated by a piece of cloth, then I truly feel sorry for them.

There are so many problems within the black communities around the nation. Single parenthood, substandard schools, poor investment knowledge, gang violence, corrupt black politicians, and an overall acceptance of mediocrity abound in the black community just for starters.

Add on such medical problems as AIDS, alcoholism, drug addiction, and poor pre-natal care, and you begin to scratch the surface of the problems and issues that the NAACP should be addressing. But they go for the "easy targets" like the Confederate Flag, and allow themselves to be led around by race warlords like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Cynthia McKinney and Kwesi Mfume by the nose like a bull being led to the slaughterhouse.

What's even sadder is that there are true black leaders like Kevin Martin, Jesse Peterson, Roy and Niger Innis, J.C. Watts, Ken Hamblin and dozens upon dozens of others who live productive lives. Who live the American Dream. Who do not live in the shadow cast by the warlords and their lemmings.

And my wife's aunt wonders why She-who-must-be-obeyed and I refuse to join the NAACP. Feh.

25 posted on 06/30/2002 6:45:02 AM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking; Twodees
Bravo well said.
26 posted on 06/30/2002 9:54:12 AM PDT by swheats
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To: Denver Ditdat
As a black comedian Chris Rock recently remarked " What racist thing prevents you from keeping your yard clean?"
27 posted on 06/30/2002 11:38:36 AM PDT by tom paine 2
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To: swheats
Thank you, sir.
28 posted on 06/30/2002 12:05:36 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: Twodees
I'm a female pronounced sweets and you're welcome.
29 posted on 06/30/2002 12:34:13 PM PDT by swheats
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To: Michael2001
Okay, we compromised. As did General Forrest, we removed the center star from the Confederate Battle Flag. Now the NAACP doesn't have to feel offended, or threatened, or whatever.

And now we can fly it all the time, just to show them how accomodating we can be...


30 posted on 06/30/2002 1:01:24 PM PDT by archy
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To: mhking
Great post
31 posted on 06/30/2002 3:41:51 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: swheats
Excuse the mistake, ma'am. I'll eventually learn who's who. Thanks for bearing with me.
32 posted on 06/30/2002 5:44:40 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: mhking
Thanks for the ping (and all your pings). Won't this man give the NAACP heartburn.

Rebel re-enactor with a cause

June 30, 2002 12:59 am

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Willie Levi Casey Jr. of Spotsylvania re-enacts as a Confederate private
with the 6th North Carolina State Troop. Casey's unit participated yesterday
in a re-enactment of the 1862 Battle of Beaver Dam Creek.

Click for larger photo and to order reprints

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Willie Casey (second from right) says people don't understand why he joined the Sons of Confederate Veterans. 'People say to me, "Do you support slavery?" I say, "No. I support preserving Southern history and telling it the way it is."
Click for larger photo and to order reprints

ROCKVILLE--In the Hanover County woods where men in blue and men in gray are shooting at each other, it's all noise and smoke and stink.

Across a field there's cannon fire so loud it resets your heartbeat for you. Horses whicker, and men shout. Fog-thick gunpowder smoke gives off a rotten-egg reek.

For Confederate Pvt. Casey of the 6th North Carolina State Troop, a Civil War re-enactment unit, the conflict is all external.

In real life, the Rebel private is Maj. Willie Levi Casey Jr. of the U.S. Army--a tasty bit of irony if you're looking for it.

But Casey sees no irony at all in re-enacting as a 19th-century soldier in gray and being a 21st-century African-American.

Casey, a 40-year-old resident of Spotsylvania County's Chancellor area, is a Southerner by birth and proud of it by choice.

He's been re-enacting since 1997 and was welcomed as a full member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans Matthew Fontaine Maury Camp No. 1722 two years ago.

It all makes sense, he said, if you view the Civil War not as a textbook struggle between good and evil, but as the nuanced conflict it truly was.

"Look at the mentality of a black person in the South" at the time of the Civil War, Casey said. That person's ancestors might have been living in the South for 150 years before the war.

In such a case, he said, "You may be a Southerner by force, but you are a Southerner."Continue Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star

33 posted on 06/30/2002 7:01:51 PM PDT by Ligeia
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To: Michael2001
The NAACP won't be happy until they've removed "south" from the compass.
34 posted on 06/30/2002 7:58:33 PM PDT by aomagrat
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To: shuckmaster; *dixie_list
Thanks for the ping, shuckmaster. I'm making sure you the article on #33. Now that is an amazing story.
35 posted on 06/30/2002 8:05:49 PM PDT by Ligeia
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To: mhking
There are so many problems within the black communities around the nation. Single parenthood, substandard schools, poor investment knowledge, gang violence, corrupt black (all races) politicians, and an overall acceptance of mediocrity abound in the black (once again, all races)community just for starters.

What people fail to recognize is that we are all in this boat together.  I, and most people I know, are not "rich white folk".  We work hard and get by with just getting bills paid.  Black folks and white folks have a whole lot more in common than not.  I may be nieve, but I think that if we'd just show respect for each other and, I don't like to use the word "judge", but, judge people for what is in their heart and not what color their skin is then our country could turn around.  There would be no reason for the naacp.  I thank God for my dad because that is how he lived his life.  He didn't care what race you were or how rich or poor you were, etc ... He looked at a person's heart.  He had the respect of so many people.  I try to live like that but I don't think I'll ever live up to his example.

36 posted on 06/30/2002 9:55:24 PM PDT by ratdog
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To: wcbtinman
Don't you mean we gave them a hundred thousand miles? It never ends because we never say "enough is enough." & slap their bigoted @ss backwards for a change.
37 posted on 07/01/2002 5:41:25 AM PDT by HELLRAISER II
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To: Ligeia
Great story! Thanks.
38 posted on 07/01/2002 8:21:40 AM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: Michael2001
i USED to be a member in good standing of the NAACP, UNTIL it became a RACIST organization that "tossed out" everyone who was not BLACK & LIBERAL.

we Indians were told that there was NO PLACE for Indians in the naaLcp!

for the Cherokee Nation & dixie LIBERTY,sw

39 posted on 07/01/2002 8:22:44 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: shuckmaster
i guess the naaLcp WANTS to be sued and LOSE again!

well, we SCV folk can use some more of the naaLcps $$$$$$$$$!

FREE dixie NOW,sw

40 posted on 07/01/2002 8:25:00 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: Denver Ditdat
Well done!
41 posted on 07/01/2002 8:26:56 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: mhking
look carefully in your family history for black CSA servicemembers and JOIN the SCV.

that's a thumb in the eye that MATTERS to the TRUE CAUSE.

for dixie,sw

42 posted on 07/01/2002 8:28:15 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: mhking
Bump very well done......I will always cherish Roy knocking Al on his Arse on the old Morton Downey show!
43 posted on 07/01/2002 8:31:07 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Michael2001
Our founding fathers (God Bless Them Everyone), should have included a clause that the right to Offend shall not be abridged. I cherish my right to offend and intend to preserve it.
44 posted on 07/01/2002 8:33:58 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: mhking
PLEASE give everyone on your list a "ping" for JOINING the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

only about a MILLION southron BLACK men are elgible, as we had OVER 100,0000 loyal black CSA veterans!

45 posted on 07/01/2002 9:01:28 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: 2/75 RANGER; wardaddy
Thanks for taking the time to read it. It comes from a genuine respect for ALL of America's veterans.
46 posted on 07/01/2002 8:11:15 PM PDT by Denver Ditdat
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To: Denver Ditdat
Amen to that!
47 posted on 07/01/2002 9:58:54 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: mhking
Great Post, mhking - well said, sir!
48 posted on 07/04/2002 9:12:35 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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