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To: Carry_Okie
Posting excerps of the Federalist Papers? Are you trying to get us reported and banned?

It is amazing how people don't realize the amount of wit and wisdom the Founding Fathers had. Americans now think that leaders like BubbaXXX and Bush have similar wisdom. They are blithering idiots by comparison. Hell, Bush is damn near illiterate.

32 posted on 07/02/2002 10:12:37 PM PDT by Hard Case
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To: Hard Case
I know that you think that George W. is simple. But they don't just pass out Harvard MBA's, which our President earned, and they don't let simpletons fly F-102's either.

The truth is, that George W. was whipped in his very first campaign for Congress out in Midland,TX by a Democrat who called him Harvard George and made our future President out to be a blue-blood intellectual. From that point on, George W. vowed that no one would ever "out-good-old-boy" him again. His "aw shucks" attitude is a persona that fits him well, but there's a lot more going on under the hood than he cares to brag about.

36 posted on 07/02/2002 10:33:16 PM PDT by DJtex
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To: Hard Case; Texasforever; All
I want to thank both of you for something: You sent me looking to see if the Library of Congress had yet put Farrand's Notes on the Federal Convention online.

It's here and I am totally jazzed. To all FReepers who love the Constitution and want to know what the founders intended, this is the ultimate resoruce.

There is no numerical correspondence between the articles contained in the plan & those treated of in the pamphlet & the latter alludes to several more than are included in the former.

In Mr. Pinkney's letter to Mr. Adams, accompanying his plan, he states that "very soon after the Convention met, I changed and avowed candidly the change of my opinion on giving the power to Congress to revise the State laws in certain cases, and in giving the exclusive power to the Senate to declare war, thinking it safer to refuse the first altogether, and to vest the latter in Congress."

In his pamphlet he concludes the 5th. page of his argument in favor of the first power with these remarks -- "In short, from their example, (other republics) and from our own experience, there can be no truth more evident than this, that, unless our Government is consolidated, as far as is practicable, by retrenching the State authorities, and concentering as much force & vigor in the Union, as are adequate to its exigencies, we shall soon be a divided, and consequently an unhappy people. I shall ever consider the revision and negative of the State laws, as one great and leading step to this reform, and have therefore conceived it proper to bring it into view."

On the 23. August He moved a proposition to vest this power in the Legislature, provided 2/3 of each House assented.

He does not designate the depository of the power to declare war & consequently avows no change of opinion on that subject in the pamphlet, altho' it was printed after the adjournment of the Convention and is stated to embrace the "observations he delivered at different times in the course of their discussions"

J. M. has a copy of the pamphlet much mutilated by dampness; but one in complete preservation is bound up with "Select Tracts Vol. 2." belonging to the New York Historical Society, numbered 2687.

There can be no mistake. Madison intended that a declaration of war should have a very high threshhold, as the example notes where he seriously considered a 2/3 vote of the people (the House) and the States (as represented by the Senate) for approval of such a declaration.
39 posted on 07/02/2002 10:47:25 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Hard Case
Hell, Bush is damn near illiterate.

His SAT verbal was 566. What's yours?

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

54 posted on 07/03/2002 11:11:38 AM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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