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UK Proposes Compulsory ID Cards
United Press International ^ | 3 July 2002 | Al Webb

Posted on 07/03/2002 4:19:22 PM PDT by Asmodeus

LONDON, July 3 (UPI) -- The British government Wednesday unveiled controversial proposals to introduce compulsory identity cards for the first time since World War II in an attempt to combat illegal immigration and to clamp down on benefit fraud.

Home Secretary David Blunkett told Parliament that he envisioned a universal entitlement card for which everyone in Britain would register to gain the right to social services, benefits and employment.

Blunkett said he was launching a six-month consultative exercise to gauge public reaction. But one source in Prime Minister Tony Blair's office said, "We wouldn't be putting the idea forward if we did not think there was a positive reason to look at it."

Another source close to the government said Blunkett "with Blair's backing has pretty much made up his mind to go ahead with it." The document the home secretary submitted to Parliament even contained possible designs for the credit card-sized ID.

Blunkett has been working on a plan to introduce a national identity card ever since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in New York and Washington. But he said earlier that national security should not be considered the sole reason for issuing such cards.

Britain introduced compulsory ID cards as a security measure during World War II, but they were axed in 1952 after a judge questioned their value in peacetime.

The national ID card is seen as a major weapon in the British government's battle against the growing problem of illegal immigration via Europe, most notably through the underwater Channel Tunnel rail link from France, regularly swarmed by hundreds of asylum seekers from the Sangatte refugee camp trying to get to Britain.

Blunkett's ID card initiative came a week after French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said Britain's lack of such a document was a main reason why so many illegal immigrants where targeting it. Sarkozy also hinted strongly that France would not close down the Sangatte camp until London took appropriate action.

The U.K. home secretary did not detail the format of the proposed ID cards. One critic in the opposition Conservative Party accused him of "opaque utterances" but they are expected to include microchip biometric data such as fingerprints or iris information, as well as photos and other identification.

Blunkett said that while every Briton would have a card, they would not have to carry it with them at all times. People would have to produce the ID when requested. For instance, he added, the identity card would be a straightforward and verifiable way to establish the right to work legally.

The lack of a need for such identification has made Britain, and London in particular, appealing to illegal immigrants and tax dodgers looking for work where few, if any, questions are asked.

Blunkett told Parliament that identity fraud, including black market labor and illegal claims for dole money and other social security benefits, is costing the country an estimated $2 billion a year.

Some ordinary Britons backed this reasoning for such a card. "The only people I think who are worried about it," said retired office manager John Rawling, "are the crooks. If they won't accept identity cards, they must be on the fiddle."

Simon Soaper, a social worker, was succinct in his opposition.

"I couldn't care less if ID cards are brought in or not." he said. "As soon as I receive mine, I shall destroy it. I'll never carry one, no matter what the law says."

"If you have nothing to hide," countered shop attendant Donald Walters, "what is the big deal? The more information they could have on, the better. The sooner they bring them out, the better, and I know what I would say to the civil liberties loonies."

The civil rights group Liberty said it would oppose a national identity card. "It's unacceptable and wrong on principle," said John Wadham, a spokesman for Liberty.

Karen Bartlett, head of the pressure group Charter 88, said packaging ID cards as entitlement cards is not going to fool the public. A card, which you have to show to access services, is still an ID card, whatever spin you put on it, Bartlett said.


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KEYWORDS: 1984; bigbrother; nationalidcards; waronterrorism
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1 posted on 07/03/2002 4:19:22 PM PDT by Asmodeus
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To: All
"1984" Online

2 posted on 07/03/2002 4:24:18 PM PDT by Asmodeus
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To: Asmodeus
Does anyone else find it odd that both the UK and the USA are proposing similar national identification cards at about the same time? Through centuries of our existence, we've never found it necessary, and within weeks of each other, both of the great English-speaking powers find it imperative to impose this intrusion on their citizens. If a person had a paranoid streak, he could almost be convinced that something sinister was afoot.

But I'm sure it's just coincidence.

3 posted on 07/03/2002 4:24:20 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Asmodeus
huh, one step closer to the mark of the beast.

Interesting screen name by the way.

4 posted on 07/03/2002 4:25:34 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Asmodeus
"If you have nothing to hide," countered shop attendant Donald Walters, "what is the big deal? The more information they could have on, the better. The sooner they bring them out, the better, and I know what I would say to the civil liberties loonies."

Thanks for the post.

Well, are we surprised by the British reaction to this, given their gun laws? The ID card solution is not going to go down well in the U.S. IMHO.

5 posted on 07/03/2002 4:25:37 PM PDT by toddst
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To: IronJack
Yes, and once again the crimes of the few are paid for by the many. You'd think they'd just crack down on illegals and ne'er do-wells. Their criminal justice system is probably as impotent as ours.
6 posted on 07/03/2002 4:27:40 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: IronJack
The national ID card is seen as a major weapon in the British government's battle against the growing problem of illegal immigration via Europe, most notably through the underwater Channel Tunnel rail link from France, regularly swarmed by hundreds of asylum seekers from the Sangatte refugee camp trying to get to Britain.

The railway can make sure that they all buy tickes to get on the train, but the government can't stop them from getting out of the railway station. So the fix is to issue identity cards so that they can catch the illegals nationwide.

Riiight.

England goes the turd way.

7 posted on 07/03/2002 4:32:16 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
Naturally it won't be long until ID cards are counterfited, then we'll have to move on up to "Digital Angel." Computer chip under the skin.

I saw the vet put one under my K-9's skin. Only took a minute.

8 posted on 07/03/2002 4:37:45 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Asmodeus
Home Secretary David Blunkett told Parliament that he envisioned a universal entitlement card for which everyone in Britain would register to gain the right to social services, benefits and employment

"He will cause all to recieve a mark in their right hand or forehead so that no man, rich or poor, free or bond, may buy or sell without the mark of the beast."

9 posted on 07/03/2002 5:00:50 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: IronJack
"If a person had a paranoid streak, he could almost be convinced that something sinister was afoot."

There is something sinister afoot.It is islam.On the warpath to total world domination.The sooner we all get that through our heads the better for the nation.
10 posted on 07/03/2002 5:14:09 PM PDT by neddah
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To: Asmodeus
controversial? I thought those people were willing to lie down for anything. They arrest people who try to defend themselves, they've already got cameras everywhere, you mean there are actually people over there who want some rights? too late~!
11 posted on 07/03/2002 5:27:02 PM PDT by goodieD
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To: Cap'n Crunch
why did you allow your dog to be chipped?
12 posted on 07/03/2002 5:28:27 PM PDT by goodieD
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To: Asmodeus
Has anyone seen the new US military ID card? It is chipped, barcoded and magnetic striped. It is programmed with your bio, some medical stuff, and a PIN code. It is now white in color (no more green for AD)-- a forerunner of things to come?
13 posted on 07/03/2002 6:52:21 PM PDT by ArmoredCav
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To: Asmodeus
Some ordinary Britons backed this reasoning for such a card. "The only people I think who are worried about it," said retired office manager John Rawling, "are the crooks. If they won't accept identity cards, they must be on the fiddle."

This gets to the heart of the matter. By the same circular logic above, refusing a search means you must have something to hide which then means they now have probable cause to search you. As a result, anyone can be searched at any time. In the same way, the mere existence of a national identification card sets a presumption of guilt upon anyone who refuses it. This then justifies the state to more closely monitor these individuals so that everyone ultimately gets monitored.

Sadly, the battle here was probably lost sixty years ago with the advent of the "Social Security" card. Just try to get a job or a doctor without one.

14 posted on 07/03/2002 7:58:13 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: IronJack
Does anyone else find it odd that both the UK and the USA are proposing similar national identification cards at about the same time?

No - do a search sometime on the makers of smart cards (like gemplus, mondex, etc). Examine their board of directors. I found companies in Australia who were very intertwined with our people here, and in South America, Europe etc.

Find the names of the higher ups involved. Do a google search on them. Very interesting information to be found. Will try to post some to you, but I am work and don't have access to my other PC (have quite a few megs of info).

Also - do a search under google.com/unclesam and you will find a TON of info about how it is being integrated in the government. When you add it all up, it is planned and backed by big business - they want us to use smart cards, and will convince us to do so - and smart cards + ID cards will = national ID cards, for many countries.
15 posted on 07/04/2002 1:47:00 AM PDT by chance33_98
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To: goodieD
He wasn't mine, he belonged to the city, it was when I was a police K-9 handler.
16 posted on 07/04/2002 6:44:45 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: chance33_98
Smart cards + national ID cards means the govt will be able to track every move you make, from what groceries you buy, where, and when, to what size clothing you wear. It's also the reason the State so despises a cash economy. And it's doubly curious that all this meddling with our currency comes at the exact time that all this card-tracking technology is on the rise.

But I'm just being paranoid again, I'm sure.

17 posted on 07/04/2002 6:45:22 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Cap'n Crunch
so I will assume it wasn't voluntary then.
18 posted on 07/04/2002 10:39:59 AM PDT by goodieD
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To: goodieD
No, I wasn't even aware that the city had intended to do it, I just took the dog for his first check by the city vet and they put the chip in, right between his shoulder blades. I was hanging on to the leash when the vet did it. I don't think "Nick" even felt it.

My first dog that came from Germany had a number tattoo'd in his ear.

So for Nick it was compulsory, probably will be for us pretty soon too.

19 posted on 07/04/2002 11:01:03 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch
"My first dog that came from Germany had a number tattoo'd in his ear."

So that's what happened to the escaped nazis: veterinarian school.

20 posted on 07/04/2002 6:39:53 PM PDT by lowbridge
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