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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
I have really enjoyed your posts. It may be time to invest in Zambia, if Mere Christianity is spreading to the population.

It was rare exceptions when God authorized rebellion against civil authorities, but it did happen (Jehu for example). I have always thought that when the people are corrupt, Christians should continue to submit to even a bad government- because you cannot impose righteous government on an unrighteous people- they don't want it. When corrupt leaders are over a people who are more righteous than they, God is more likely to authorize a Jehu-type to clean house.

32 posted on 07/04/2002 10:05:22 AM PDT by Ahban
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To: Ahban; OrthodoxPresbyterian
You might be interested to read this Yale author writing for Christianity Today on the colonial era:

How Preachers Incited Revolution

And I think OPie might have a few wee scraps of information to share on this topic...
34 posted on 07/04/2002 10:59:48 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Ahban
Perhaps this Fourth would be a good day to post one of my favorite Presbyterian quotes, the final testimony of James Renwick just before he was martyred by the "Royalist/Episcopal beast of his day":

Dear Friends, I die a Presbyterian Protestant; I own the Word of God as the rule of faith and manners; I own the Confession of Faith, Larger and Shorter Catechisms, Sum of Saving Knowledge, Directory for Public and Family Worship, Covenants, National and Solemn League, Acts of General Assemblies, and all the faithful contendings that have been for the Covenanted Reformation. I leave my testimony approving the preaching in the field, and defending the same by arms. I adjoin my testimony against Popery, Prelacy, Erastianism, against all profanity, and everything contrary to sound doctrine and the power of godliness; particularly against all usurpation and encroachments made upon Christ's right, the Prince of the kings of this earth, who alone must bear the glory of ruling his own kingdom the Church; and in particular against the absolute power affected by his usurper, that belongs to no mortal, but is the incommunicable prerogative of Jehovah, and against his Toleration flowing from his absolute power (John Howie, The Scots Worthies, 1781, p. 547).
Now there was a real old-time Presbyterian Scotsman! And we had a great many Presbyterian Scots just like him among our early colonists.
36 posted on 07/04/2002 11:23:04 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Ahban
I have always thought that when the people are corrupt, Christians should continue to submit to even a bad government- because you cannot impose righteous government on an unrighteous people- they don't want it. When corrupt leaders are over a people who are more righteous than they, God is more likely to authorize a Jehu-type to clean house.

Agree totally.

46 posted on 07/04/2002 1:53:57 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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