Posted on 07/04/2002 6:16:32 AM PDT by B. A. Conservative
Just vote out the Democrats. [JR]
The ones with the R's... or the ones with the D's? [OWK]
Excellent point!
Not all democrats have a "D" next to their name.
Let's just vote out all of the Democrats, including those with an "R" next to their name.
Vote them out! That's no parrot. That's what it takes. There is NO other way.
But that doesn't help, if we don't get rid of the RINO's, too.
I don't have to worry about voting out the Democrat (at least not the one with a "D" next to his name). You see, like many other Republicans, I live in a congressional district where we have a gun grabbing RINO as our elected representative. So, my concern is to vote out the Democrat with an "R" next to his name.
It did happen fairly recently. A guy named Ventura. Nationwide turnout was 30% but over 60% turned out in Minnesota. The non-voters (sadly) will show up for the right person, but not these party approved hacks that are constantly foisted upon us.
Let's look again at Jim's quote to which you responded as it says nothing about fixing the GOP. Here is what he wrote:
"To: exodus
I doubt we disagree much regarding what a conservative is. I just want the Democrats OUT! NOW! The sooner the better. This takes brute force and bludgeoning. No third party can accomplish that. After the death grip has been broken, then we can argue about finesse. # 113 by Jim Robinson
I am in total agreement with Jim. Read the words. Sure you might punish the GOP by voting third party but you will end up punishing the rest of us as well. NO THIRD PARTY CAN DEFEAT THE DEMOCRATS. That is a fact. I won't argue the degree to which Republicans are better or worse than Democrats with you. I believe a Republican in office is better than a Democrat if only marginally.
Now if you are wanting a method to send a message that will be heard and yet not give quarter to the DemocRATS I offer the following:
After 32 years (16 General Elections), with many of them involving my volunteer work and financial support of the GOP and its candidates I re-registered to vote with Party Affiliation - NONE. When volunteers, as I used to be, call and look for a donation to the RNC or a particular candidate I let them know the best support they can hope for from me is my vote on election day and that it is not a slam dunk, as I am NOT A REPUBLICAN.
I tell you, should the idea catch on and millions, take the same action it will be noticed. But even if it isn't I can make my statement.
Listen you sound passionately conservative and my hats off to you. And you are entitled to do whatever you believe is right with your vote. However, given that JR's and others mission first requires the removal of Demccrats from office, unfortunately here in the last few years that means voting for the Republican as there is no 3rd Party remotely on the horizon that will have a hope of doing so. The fact is that we have been so long now entrenched in a "two party" system that I don't believe it will ever change. Not in our life times and I am assuming you are much younger than I.
But if it floats your bubble, by all means go for it.
BTW, I believe you invited my response since you pinged me to your comments.
Have a great day.
All could possibly be true. For most of my sixty years, I have been out of step with practically everybody else. I have voted in 21 national elections beginning in 1960. I'm 5 for 5 in Presidential races, but I have never voted for the winning candidate in a Congressional race and voted for the winner only four times in Senate races. Perhaps you can improve my voting record by clarifying some confusing observations for me?
If you are sure of the answers to these questions, maybe I will see the light and just become a good little Republican and forget the Constitution and the freedoms it offers. As you have so aptly pointed out, I need someone from the government to take care of me and make sure I stop making silly investments (I am a self-made multi-millionaire that retired at 44) and start looking forward to cashing my social security checks in two years. And I can hardly wait until you suckers start having to pay for my prescription drugs. As a physician, I know exactly which ones to get and that cost the most. And I may have some of those operations that I have been putting off, because I am scared to death of doctors and know that most of them don't help anyway, but hey, at that price (free) who can turn down a deal like that. Besides, I get some free room and board at the local hospital. Gives me a chance to screen the four or five here before I really need one.
Did I tell you about my golfing buddy from the past who had been drawing permanent total disability for the prior nine years? He was not only an excellent golfer walking 18 holes every day weather permitting, he was also at the time the state senior tennis champion 3 years in a row? When voters can't tell the difference between Republicans and Democrats, conservatives don't feel the need to vote, and moderates who lean toward socialism usually opt for the real thing. If voters are given a choice to vote for conservatives willing to restore our Constitutional Republic, and still vote the Democrats into power; then it is time to dissolve the union and go our separate ways.
I, never again intend to live under a government controlled by Democrats. And if faced with that possibility, I intend to do everything reasonable to bring about the secession of one state. If the United States has become a socialistic democracy that refuses to honor and acknowledge the Constitutional restraints on government, then the United States is already dead, and the sooner the ashes are scattered and the remnants dissolved the sooner some of us can recover the freedom and equality that Americans once enjoyed. A Republican serf, by any other name is still a slave. Either we confront and defeat Democrats with ballots, or surely someday we may have to consider bullets. History records few slave-owners, who have freed their slaves. Even Jefferson, the author of the most important treatise on freedom in the world's history, could not bring himself to free his slaves. What chance have we with Republicans who refuse to stand for anything?
Even if the Contract with Congress fails, we will know where we stand and who is with us. "Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
It is possible to financially feasible to deal with SS under the Cato plan. Medicare is another story all together, but no one will be allowed to tackle Medicare without first having demonstrated to John Q. an acceptable format for dealing SS. No one will be forced to "sacrifice" in dealing with SS under Cato. That does not apply to Medicare. Medicare cannot be dealth without "sacrifices".
Republicans know the realities of the above but are delaying the debate out of fear of their own political defeat and the wishful thinking that something magical will happen to just make it all go away, like maybe the economic miracle of the 90's was real and we will enjoy GDP growth of 15% forever.
Preserving the status quo will not save America and will result in its certain destruction. There is only one chance to save the United States and that is a sharp quick return to our Constitutional roots. There are only two prospects that appear to offer a reasonable possibility of a quick return to living within our Constitution: moving the Republican Party quickly back to a staunch conservative agenda or finding a willing and capable charismatic leader. At the moment, I don't recognize the potential leader, but I do know that it is possible to force the Republicans to change direction quickly. With-holding money will have little effect. A genuine threat of losing office will turn them on a dime.
LOL! And to whom have you been praying?
There is a difference between Republicans and Democrats, despite your and OWK's mental mastications and half-digested verbal upchucks to the contrary. There was a difference between Slade Gorton in Washington State and the liberal Democrat ninny who replaced him. Libertarians gave us Ms. Nanny Government and helped to shift the entire balance of power in the Senate to the Ted Kennedy cabal. Now there is little opportunity to get even moderate federal judges appointed to the bench.
If this is how libertarians work to rebuild our Constitutional house, I wish they'd take their tools and go work on someone else's house. We'd get a better finished product from the Three Stooges.
Earn it with candidates who deserve it.
Until then, you'll get what you've earned.
I laud you in your zeal and admire your "stick-to-it-iveness". I just came to the realization the GOP is beyond redemption and really has no use for Constitutional Conservatives any longer. The GOP, by action of its leadership, has proved, to me at least, time and again that the acquisition and maintenance of power is an end of itself and that they (GOP lawmakers) will subvert their oaths and fidelity to the constitution as it sees fit towards that end. In this regard they aren't much different than the Democrats.
I do believe that in the main, however the individual GOP representatives have basic conservative (little "c")/traditional values, whereas the Clinton/Gephardt/Daschle/etal wing of the Democrats don't share in those same values at all.
I have no use for either "political party" but I will not give up my right to vote, even if it means that when I pull the lever it will be for no other reason than JR stated to "oust Democrats".
I want to watch that party pay a price for their lock step defense of the likes of William Jefferson Clinton.
Good luck in reforming the GOP.
BTW, I think the "wreck" you talk about when the boomers (my generation - born in 1946) hit SS age is put only mildly. Plus I don't think it will be adverted. If it hasn't dawned upon you, we haven't had leadership in the country for quite sometime now. They (electeds) are all into "Crises Containment" management techniques.
Tough days ahead.
Bumo
In fact the 'Patriot Act', a huge and complicated volume of new laws and civil liberty restrictions had to have been prepared long before G.W. came to the White House. Yet Congress claimed ignorance of its contents even as thy voted it into law.
Do you think a judge will ever use the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions of 1798 to deem a secret search or wiretap unconstitutional and deny the order?
I agree ... if we are going down the toilet, I prefer to go down now and begin the recovery. This long, slow flush of the RINOs is no longer acceptable.
I have tried to persuade my Republican Candidate for governor to stand up and proudly proclaim his conservatism. His Democrat opponent is beating him over the head with ads like: "In Congress, Bob Ehrlich even voted to eliminate the Dept of Education!" I have exhorted him to put out his answer ad: "You're damn right I voted to eliminate the Dept of Education - and here's why ... " So far his reply has been "She is distorting my record" I hope I'm wrong, but I believe I am watching another conservative go down to defeat because he is unwilling to display his conservatism.
This is the best Idea I've seen in 10 years!
I am not sure what your drug warrior comment implies. My position on drugs is that only fools take them. But government should play no role in controlling the decisions of individuals. Individuals should be free to decide what they do or don't do where there are no direct consequences to others. The War on Drugs is an abuse of taxpayers who fund this particular insanity. And the War on Drugs does more damage to humanity than is done by drug use itself. I am a retired pathologist; I can prove this beyond reasonable doubt. And the War on Drugs cannot and will never be won.
There is a rational way to fight the drug culture, but it does not include government or law enforcement.
If you stand outside on a windy day you can feel the breeze upon your skin blowing across your body. You hear it, you can see the grass and the trees gently bowing, yet you still can't see the wind. You know the wind exists because you see the results of that wind, yet it remains forever invisible. Only the effects from the wind, not the wind itself, are noted.
Rather simplistic, I know, but maybe it'll give you something to think about. Hope it helps.
John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
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