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To: aculeus
This smells an awful lot like the Anglicans trying to justify their priestesses after the fact.
4 posted on 07/05/2002 7:29:19 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts; Brad's Gramma; SpookBrat; Khepera
**This smells an awful lot like the Anglicans trying to justify their priestesses after the fact.**

Yep.

8 posted on 07/05/2002 7:37:07 PM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: B Knotts
This smells an awful lot like the Anglicans trying to justify their priestesses after the fact.

My exact thoughts as I read the article -- down to my favorite perjorative: "priestesses." Great minds...

20 posted on 07/05/2002 8:05:30 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: B Knotts
This smells an awful lot like the Anglicans trying to justify their priestesses after the fact.

There are many scholars outside the Anglican tradition (i.e. Protestant Arminians among others) who also regard Junia as a female Apostle. As far as this whole Junia is Joana thing, I'm not privy to evidence to speak authoratively on.

In another Scripture, Paul mentions two laborers with him in the gospel, "Priscilla and Aquilla" (a husband and wife team). It is notable that Paul mentions Priscilla first, possibly hinting that she is in a more visible role in ministry than her husband.

Furthermore, history is replete with examples of women that have been used mightily by God in ministry; among them, Catherine Booth and Amy Carmichael.

When I try to speak to some Reformed brethren concerning Scripture that describes God's relational nature to His creation, the answer that is always thrown back at me "God is Sovereign" and "you can't limit His Sovereignty", usually without making a meaningful attempt to deal with the text of Scripture. Well, why can't I say here on the issue of women in ministry, "God is Sovereign." "Who are you to tell God who he can choose or not choose?" If they direct me to 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 or 1 Timothy 2:11-15, I can just reply, "You can't understand what God is saying there. That's a mystery. God is sovereign." Of course, I would never give an answer that didn't take into account Scripture, but if it's good for the goose, why not for the gander?

44 posted on 07/05/2002 10:30:10 PM PDT by streetpreacher
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To: B Knotts
Amen!
99 posted on 07/06/2002 9:37:53 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: B Knotts
This smells an awful lot like the Anglicans trying to justify their priestesses after the fact.

No, you think?

As Junia, she was described by St Paul in a letter to the Romans as “prominent among the Apostles”.

So, St. Paul -- who was, unlike Richard Bauckham, a contemporary of the Apostles and who wrote that women shouldn't hold positions of authority in the Church -- didn't know Junia was female?

The point of the Gospels, BTW, isn't that men should dominate women but that all should be humble before God and put others ahead of themselves. A Christian really shouldn't be guided by ego to seek authority, which I suspect is the motivation for the "liberals" who control the Anglican Church.

115 posted on 07/07/2002 3:43:32 PM PDT by Tribune7
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