Imam, two others held for attacking US Muslim (American Navy engineer on charges of blasphemy!)

DAWN ^ | 7-7-02 | GNU4U

[GNU4U]

FAISALABAD, July 7: Jaranwala police on Sunday arrested a Pesh Imam and two others for instigating villagers to kill an American Navy engineer on charges of blasphemy.

Faraz Jawed (30), an American by birth whose parents are settled is the US, is here to see his in-laws in Chak 111-JB, Jaranwala.

On Friday last, he visited the village mosque to offer Juma prayers and objected to the Pesh Imam's political speech. At that time the Imam was cursing the Pakistan government and the Americans.

"Instead of blaming America, you should better tell us Islamic teachings," Fraz reportedly asked the Imam. The Pesh Imam did not like it. He asked people sitting in the mosque to kill Faraz. "He is also an American and enemy of the Muslims."

Faraz managed to escape from the mosque with his relative Mohammad Naeem. After the Juma prayers, Imam Hafiz Abdul Latif called village elders and asked them to punish Faraz.

Over four dozen people reportedly attacked Naeem's house where Faraz was present. Some of the attackers were also carrying iron rods, sticks and lethal weapons.

Naeem locked the doors and immediately informed the area police. A police party rushed to the scene and prevailed upon the mob on the assurance that Fraz would be proceeded against for committing blasphemy.

The mob dispersed after pelting stones on the house which damaged windowpanes. In the meantime, Faraz Jawed reportedly contacted the US embassy in Islamabad. The embassy reportedly took immediate note and asked the government to save the life of its national.

The Jaranwala police registered two cases against Imam of the mosque, Hafiz Abdul Latif, on charge of creating law and order problem in the area and instigating the religious feelings of the people and attacking the house of Faraz family. The cases against the Imam and a dozen villagers were registered under section 16 MPO and 295-A of Blasphemy Act, while the other case was registered under section 452 and 506 PPC.

The police arrested Hafiz Abdul Latif, Mohammad Asim, Zubair Usman and was making raids for the arrest of other accused involved in the incident.

[GNU4U]

"Instead of blaming America, you should better tell us Islamic teachings," Fraz reportedly asked the Imam. The Pesh Imam did not like it. He asked people sitting in the mosque to kill Faraz.

What i did on my summer vacation:

On the first day of my vacation I attended Church while visiting a relative and received a death sentence and started a riot resulting in said relatives house being burned, daughter being raped, and his cattle being sacrificed.

On the first day of my vacation I.......

[aristeides]

Religion of peace bump.

I know from my Turkish that "Cuma" means "Friday" (the Moslems' holy day, day of gathering). But what does "Pesh" in "Pesh Imam" mean?

[galt-jw]

sounds like fonzie found out islam aint so cool after all.

[GNU4U]

You know I don't want to see this nation go into an unnecessary war, I don't... its just not worth the horrendous sufferring.

But what can you say about a culture that "arbitrarily" pronounces a death sentence in the middle of a religous service?

The only thing close in popular western culture is Satanism.

How twisted do things get in the name of religion?

It is so absurd that it can only be approached with humor, disbelief, and possibly only stopped by war.

That is frightening to think that attending Church can get you killed, I guess attendance is compulsory?

[cardinal4]

The followers of Allah and the pedophile Mohamed are 12th century barbarians.

[WyldKard]

Ho-lee sh*t. I am speechless. We as Americans obviously have FAR FAR more to fear from these "peaceful" Moslims in their own country than Moslims have to fear here in America.

Did you know that Islam forbids declaring Jihad on countries that allow open preaching and proslytization of Islam? Know of any countries around here that fit the bill? Ones that start with a U and end in an A and sound like "S" in the middle?

Funny how they disregard their own religion when it works against them...

[polemikos]

what can you say about a culture that "arbitrarily" pronounces a death sentence in the middle of a religous service?

A fatwa on "heretics" and "defectors" is a powerful tool.
Death threats have a way of focusing a follower's mind.
There can never be a "moderate" Islam because of this.
Moderate words with double meanings (as we have seen), perhaps.
Moderate accommodations that are repudiated at their convenience.
All in all, Islam sounds more like the mafia than a religion.
The craziest, most bloodthirsty bastard defines the agenda.

[GNU4U]

You know I see the "manipulations" that happen in our "intended for internal consumption" press.

But the total mind control of these acts are simply frightening.

What type of religous mind rapes as a punishment for behaviour that is objectinable under cannocal religous thoughts on sexual mores?

What type of religous mind kills in the middle of a religous service?

I always pointed to the archeotype pf "baby eating" as a myth, primordial stuff way down in the physche, but you know I'm beginning not to put it past them.

[cake_crumb]

"A police party rushed to the scene and prevailed upon the mob on the assurance that Fraz would be proceeded against for committing blasphemy"

I'm a little confused. FARAZ questions the imam's radical, hate filled style of teaching....and FARAZ "will be proceeded against" for BLASPHEMY?????

So, either the imam is Allah in disguise...or Muslims have a very different definition of what constitutes blasphemy than the West does.

This story is totally bizarre, by my hat is off to sailor Faraz for speaking out in defence of his countrymen against the mad mullah.

[marshmallow]

The Pesh Imam did not like it.

And when the Pesh Imam doesn't like something, heads roll. Literally.

I'm glad this guy isn't my parish priest. I have a feeling that this illustrious cleric is not very approachable and prone to hasty judgements. Seeking spiritual counsel would require some courage.

Don't cough or sneeze during his sermons either. If he's having a bad day, you could lose your house.

[GNU4U]

YEAH!!!!

Is he detained on Blasphemy?

On the second day of my summer vacation I retained an Islamic lawyer who was also a Mullah, and he sentenced me to death also.

Absurd? Reality? what???????????????

[GNU4U]

Somebody suggested I take a position overseas, I will never visit a non-western nation.

The rape and then this, barbaric. Even the "best" apologists sails loose all wind when people behave this way.

[E Rocc]

Sounds to me like the Pakistani police arrested the radical instigators. I think its a safe assumption that they are Muslims, too.

-Eric

[PsyOp]

Religion of Pieces Bump & Ping!

[mhking]

A Smith & Wesson beats four aces - or four imams in this case...

[pabianice]

Islam, "the religion of peace"...

[Salman]

You know I don't want to see this nation go into an unnecessary war, I don't... its just not worth the horrendous sufferring.
But what can you say about a culture that "arbitrarily" pronounces a death sentence in the middle of a religous service?
The only thing close in popular western culture is Satanism.

Organized Satanism is sex orgy clubs for rich weirdos who like to feel extra naughty. Not harmless, but not this bad.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Had this fellow not been an American sailor he would have been killed and the police would have done nothing about it. These things happen every day in Moslem countries THROUGHOUT the world. While not monolithic almost all moslem countries unite around one theme-killing infidels and apostates. This is the one thing they all agree on.

[Sender]

Perhaps to disagree publicly with any imam is considered blasphemy. What a great religion, huh?

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Ann is OK then!

[cake_crumb]

LOL

"Absurd? Reality? what???????????????"

Well, we ARE talking about Muslim extremists here....how about both. Their version of "reality" is certainly "absurd".

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

WOW!

[cake_crumb]

"What a great religion, huh?"

Eeeeeeee-yeah.

[Guillermo]

Probably one of several thousand mosques (at least) around the world denouncing America last Friday...

[CROSSHIGHWAYMAN]

Funny how they disregard their own religion when it works against them...

Sounds like the Democrats.

Islam is not a religion. It is a cult, plain and simple.

The fact that the least educated and informed run the tent show follows the Democrat plan of dumbing down society.

[jdogbearhunter]

what you said...
BTTT

[neutrino]

So I guess I shouldn't mention...

There is no hog but allah, and mohammed is her pimp!

while over there?

[GNU4U]

While I don't fully agree with her at least she is based in reality. The idea that the only good injun is a dead injun, and then: Oppps somebody just shot Tonto is equally absurd.

So on the one hand you can build a fence and put them on a reservation and leave them to their own devices, or on the other as the US did with the native Americans, put them in school and teach them english.

Anything in the middle is bad policy in "my opinion."

By logical extension, the argument: The general law of terrorism and avoidance of suffering and violence can be acheived by amalgamating a society or not having any contact with it.

I was watching the last episode of Politically Correct and Ann was referred to as a Fascist. Which politically she is advocating, while it might not be naive, it is pretty scary that our nation has gone from a Republic to Nationalist Fascism.

On the other hand, I see the role as a "liberator" where the mullahs who rape are charged with international crimes against humanity, "the third way" if you will.

Really I oughta turn to the dark side and start a website and get ZZ-TOP and a nubile teen (18 and a day old) to dress up in Arabic garb and do a porn site, XXXX Arabic Mullah Rape! True Arabic Mullah Rape! and then meta-tag it in arabic, I bet I would get millions of hits as the repressed mind of arabs showed its true color.

[GNU4U]

The "primitive, violent, manipulative" Arabic psyche makes "co-existence" with the west difficult.

What the hell do you say?

If two value systems ever collided or were in more of a conflict on core mores, it would western secularism and islamic fundamentalism.

And there is some "truths" or "religous tenets" in the Koran which are worthy of note, but the perversion of the "word of the law and the spirit of the law" is so profound that you can but shake your head.

[INSENSITIVE GUY]

Ban ISLAM!Not a valid religion!

[Dark Wing]

ping

[swarthyguy]

"Did you know that Islam forbids declaring Jihad on countries that allow open preaching and proslytization of Islam?"

Any corroboration links or text would be welcome.

Makes the whole argument being presented in the US currently especially poignant.

[gaspar]

They had one hell of a shootout last week in Faisalabad; at least three Al Qaida killed, and a number of police also.

[onedoug]

"Instead of blaming America, you should better tell us Islamic teachings,"....

Same thing, these days.

[swarthyguy]

Lucky bastard. Should've known when to keep his mouth shut. Where'd he think he was? Scarsdale?

[Jhoffa_]

Pearls unto swine personafied.

[GNU4U]

ROLOL!

I keep hearing references to Islam and homosexuality, also references to Mohamed and homosexuality. Send a link private if there is any "historical" fact to it.

My hunch has always been that while they revile sex between adults that they are lured by "innocence/purity" of youth and seek to incorporate a-la manna style. My ability to suppose/guess what goes on in that mind thought. Irrespective if Swaggart, Jim Jones, Baker, Catholic, or Islamic.

The profile is "unmistakeable."

If there is historical fact.. similar to where parts of the zionist conspiracy is the history of money I would be interested.

[GNU4U]

Let me tell you something, I still hold that there are certain rights: LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

I'm also gonna assert that these are UNIVERSAL rights.

So by logical extension, YES I SUPPORT THE NAVY ENGINEER!

[GNU4U]

Let me tell you something, coming from an AG community, I have seen SOWS at 1000lbs. If anything, and I do mean anything... dead chickens by the bucket, dog, cat, anything falls into that pen it gets eaten.

I would toss the Islamic rapists of that girl into that pen. I don't claim eccelastical law or rule of law, I adhere to a unniversal law.

[Jhoffa_]

I would also serve these islamic nitwits up for desert..

They may as well be good for something.

(and you are familiar with the term "Pearls unto Swine" in it's proper context, aren't you?"

[swarthyguy]

I support him too, but he's still a lucky guy for opening his mouth where he was.

[GNU4U]

Yeah, as in the NT.
Don't cast your pearls to swine.
Let me say few things:

Somebody's right to wave their arm ends at anothers nose.

If I were in Jenin during "the mistake" and that girl had "screamed in terror" in my presence and "all" that I had was a service revolver and an oath to protect and serve, i would have taken on the tank, foolish, but I would.

I call em as I see them and I get frightened when our lexicon gets as distorted as these Mullah's have become.

You know that a bully hates it when somebody knows they are gonna take an ass-whuppin burt decide that that course is preferable. As an example, the warsaw ghetto.

These petty tyrants "just hate it" when a individual steps up and exposes their illusions like a cheap magician, and then dares them to bully or mistreat the exposing individual.

If America is nothing else it is people who don't want a fight but will go round after round till the sun goes down based on principle alone.

I still come from that America.

[GNU4U]

He is an American and since when do Americans owe their civil liberties to luck?

[GNU4U]

Strange but you can find a link on "baby eating" and major religion. I know what you mean though... same was said of Catholics for years.

The area I come from had a congressman Roy Dyson, there were rumors, and it was not until somebody jumped/pushed from a NYC window until the rumors became fact.

I can believe most anything, but what is really "antithetical" of western culture is condeming to death during a religous service.

Not to say we don't have our garbage:

Christopher Willey, 38, of Wells, Maine, yelled "I love my president. I love my country" as he was led into Maine Superior Court in Biddeford, Maine, Monday July 8, 2002. Willey pleaded innocent Monday to charges of carrying a concealed weapon without a licence and transporting a loaded weapon in a vehicle. The construction worker was arrested July 5, 2002 in Sanford, Maine, an hour before President Bush arrived in Maine. (AP Photo/Tim Boyd)

And meanwhile: THIS MUTT TAKES THE 5th!

So you know that the Islamic, Racist, Homo, Murdering, Crowd are having field day with our sense of justice.

I mean the guys in Cuba get a Orange Suit and no civil rights, while the above "mutt" gets away with theft!

It just goes to show you that you don't have to look to far for a violation of justice, and justice ain't blind, you can bet that there is no wire tap on Ebbers phone.

Yeah the US can display its worst, but we don't violate "usually" Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit or Happiness.

[swarthyguy]

Situational awareness; being an American is not some kind of a magic shield. Especially in Pakistan, witness Danny Pearl, the people in the church in the diplomatic section of Islamabad.

[swarthyguy]

"I mean the guys in Cuba get a Orange Suit and no civil rights,"

What's your problem with that. You a jihadi symp, aren't you?