BREAKING: BRENDA VAN DAM DANCED WITH WESTERFIELD: (Modern Day Westside Story?)7-9-02 Trial Watch

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John Jamieson and Valpal1's comments

Combining your excellent posts...along w/some extra comments

Here's what I think the prosecution has proven "beyond a reasonable doubt":

1. What.. Homicide and kidnapping

2. Who - deceased victim Danielle Van Dam

3. When - Sometime between 2/1 and 2/17 (Exact date and time of death and date and time of dumping both unknown)

4. Where removed from her home-, and killed somewhere within the area between her home and body location on Dahesa Rd.

5. How - Exact cause of death unknown. More than likely suffocation, determined by elimination method Danielle van Dam is dead, her pajamas were removed and her nude body was illegally dumped off of Dehesa Road Person(s) who dumped her is also unknown, But a suspect was arrested and charged. Manner of death is also unknown, posion, drugs, stabbing, strangulation and bullet have been elminated. ME could not elimate suffocation.

Young girls don't just die, she's seven, not seventy-seven. Accidental suffocation of seven year olds generally involve appliances like refridgerators or accidental asphyxation by caught clothing. Course, it's highly unusual for children to disrobe for hide-n-seek or for corpses to shed clothing that strangled them, so nudity in an accidental suffocation is a red flag to investigators and most manuals will tell you in such cases to look for pornoghaphy and autoerotic paraphanalia. Although that would also be highly unusual behavior in a seven year old as well.

There is ample proof that she had no organic desease or defect (natural causes). Claims that she could have died by her own acts of misadventure do not explain the location of the body. Claims that her nude body was placed there to cover up an accidental death that no one caused lack basic logic.

Either the minimal forensic evidence in DW's home and RV was left there through prior casual contact (cookie sale) and transference or it didn't. But it most certainly did not get there by Danielle wandering over and accidently suffocating in the nude while no one was around

6. Why - Criminal intent or to prevent discovery of other crime (felony murder).

Motive --Possible sexual assault

7. Defendant --David Westerfield, neighbor of Danielle.

8. Known previous contact--Danielle van Dam was once in David Westerfield's home to sell him girl scout cookies. Brenda and DW had spoken in a bar and grill called "Dads" on 2 separate occasions.. Stipulated by both sides.

9.Known evidence --Danielle's dog hair, her hair and blood found in motorhome. Blood from both Danielle and David Westerfield on DW's jacket. DW had scratches on his arm and possibly legs. Fibers with common source.. found on or near Danielle's body and David Westerfields home. Child pornography, both legal and illegal found in DW's home office. Danielle was found nude, with her necklace on. Various fibers, hairs vegetative growth located on and around her body.

Special Notes

Danielle van Dam may have been in David Westerfield's motorhome.
Layla the dog may have been in David Westerfield's motorhome.
Danielle may have bled slightly in that motor home and on DW's jacket while possibly sneaking in there with or without the knowledge of her parents or david westerfield. (Date and time undetermined. Location of jacket also unknown.)
David Westerfield and/or his son Neal has an interest in computer pornography that might have included child pornography that was illegal at the time. Something was viewed on DW's computer while DW was being voluntarily interviewed by investigators. (Child pornography laws were effectively gutted by a SCOTUS ruling after DW was charged. No books, video tapes, films, magazines, etc were found to strengthen this assumed perversion arguement.)
David Westerfield took a strange weekend motorhome trip, the details of which are verifiable with credit card reciepts, cell phone records and eye witnesses. (no proof was offered that DW even passed by Dehesa Road)
David Westerfield, single and twice divorced, has alcohol related problems, along with his mother. His mother and sister called him and his dad horndogs...they were unable to control certain inpulses, whether it related to alcohol or women..Possibly sexual urges uncontrollable.
The vanDam parents and a few of their friends lived perverse life style prior to the event..that included wife-swapping, lesbianism, bi-sexuality, drinking alcohol and smoking joints.
Brenda vanDam feared that Barbara Easton would somehow (undefined, could be emotionally or physically) hurt Danielle vanDam. Some would say that for whatever reason, Brenda did not want drunken barbara around Danielle that particular day.
(The whole thing makes you wonder: If Dave Westerfield's little 7 year old daugther went missing on 2/1 would the vanDams be on trial now?)

With respect, the prosecution has also introduced at least the following evidence: 1. Search dogs alerted at the defendant's home but not at other neighborhood homes.
2. When the defendant arrived at the Strand, he remained in the motorhome for several hours with all the curtains drawn.
3. The defendant lied about his reasons for leaving the Strand.
4. The defendant lied about his reason for returning to Poway after leaving the Strand.
5. The defendant twice used the pronoun "we" when describing his travels on the weekend Danielle disappeared.
6. The person who helped dig out the motorhome in Glamis thought he heard another person in the motorhome.
7. Trace evidence of Danielle was found in the defendant's bed, not just in his motorhome.
8. The motorhome was usually parked offsite, except when it was being loaded or unloaded.
9. Danielle, as a rule, did not play outside of her back yard without adult supervision.
10. Danielle's blood was found on the defendant's jacket and on the carpet of his motorhome, and the defendant sought to have the jacket cleaned at the earliest possible moment following his return from the desert.
11. The defendant, who was usually friendly, if not jovial, with the employees of the dry cleaner, was withdrawn and unable or unwilling to meet their gaze as he turned in the jacket which had Danielle's blood on it.
12. Injuries to Danielle's mouth were consistent with death by suffocation.
13. Danielle's fingerprints were found in the motorhome, most unfortunately in a position where she would have left them if she had been placed on the motorhome bed on her back.
14. The motorhome door is not easily operated by a person as small as Danielle was.
15. A cadaver dog alerted at a storage compartment on the motorhome (although I will grant you that the primary witness offering this testimony was exceedingly weak).
46 posted on 7/8/02 6:45 PM Central by p. henry
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/712729/posts?page=46#46

Various theories by various freepers compiled and memorized over time.
He was drunk and blacked out when he did it.
He planned for days or weeks in advance, even buying a plastic sheet.
Barbara the lesbo tried to rape danielle, mistaking her from damon or something, suffocated her and the parents helped cover it up
Incest by dad and mom didn't know it
Danielle was shared with swinger friends
danielle was molested ...and clearly had budding breasts which could be an indicator of molestation. Danielle had vaginal discharge. Sometimes an indication of molestation for a girl her age. See for example: http://www.utoronto.ca/kids/vulvag.htm
The date fell on an occult date--maybe she was sacrificed
Danielle's necklace is like a bondage necklace..these parents are sick.
Danielle snuck out cuz strangers were fondling her while she was in bed and she tried to run way. She was caught by the mom who was so angry.. they had their way..killed and dumped danielle and now mom and dad are basking in the limelight.
Danielle snuck out cuz strangers were fondling her while she was in bed and she tried to run way..dw saw her on the street, snatched her and had his way with her
The son did it and the dad is covering up
All of the major players are involved in swinging and know each other very very well. When things got too out of hand, danielle died.so they set up a neighbor and planted child porn in his office.
Speculation based on when DW said his garage door was not locked when he came back to the house Sat. afternoon. It was usual for it to be locked. At first I thought speculation like this was really far out - now I'm not so sure. Say DW had some similar blue towels that he used for various stuff like out at the pool, camping, drying his car, whatever. Maybe he leaves some of these in the laundry room adjacent to the garage for easy access - or maybe they were still in the dryer or something - anyway - somebody could have gotten in there and took one. Far fetched maybe - but I also can't help thinking of Damon's little newsgroup post regarding how to "Get back" (or something to that effect) at a person who steals your bike is to put a business card or some such ID into the seat post tube thingy - and he wasn't too nice about his choice of words as I recall. Damon has a devious mind - I think - and I know truth is sometimes stranger than fiction. All I'm saying is that I don't discount this kind of speculation as much as I used to.

I gather someone livened the thread up with good old-fashioned slander. Unsubstantiated, of course. Since the offending post has been pulled, can you paraphrase (without re-offending the readers)? I'm not easily insulted, but if I was included in an gratuitous swipe at my character, I might take it wrong (pending apology of course)

You know, hundreds of thousands of small children die of malnutition and desease all over the world every day. I would think that child porno probably kills only a small fraction of that.

You haven't had a verbal impulse you could control since I saw you appear on these threads.

Now if that isn't a personal slam directed to one person specifically I don't know what is.

You know, hundreds of thousands of small children die of malnutition and desease all over the world every day. I would think that child porno probably kills only a small fraction of that.

I'm not going to play numbers games with you. I'm sure you'll agree that it's pretty ugly. No?

that wonderful summary, again. I think this should help provide some information to the LATE AFTERNOON people. The ones that probably don't get to see the TRIAL on LIVE TV. This is a shame because they miss so much and have to depend on the MEDIA, newspapers, Star and Enquirer, Evening NEWs, etc. (or relapses on CTV) to be told what is happening in the trial. They can't watch for themselves and use their own mind to come up with an opinion.

My heart goes out to you. ANYONE that is lacking in information on the DW trial, there are many posts on these threads with good summaries. ~kim4VRWC's~ has just provided a repeat of a VERY GOOD ONE.

Yeah, I know. I've been down this road before. Most days, I use that built-in "ignore" button.

LOL, Miz...at least you didn't accuse someone of endorsing Infant and Child porn over swinging...

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I would like to be added to the ping list please. I have been lurking and reading all threads since well before the trial started, but have never posted. Sometimes though I have been left sputtering like that AFLAC duck after listening to Yoggi Berra.

I don't understand your first comments, Cyn. -----that DW is being framed by the doing of laundry at DW's What do you mean there?

Perhaps I misunderstood you? I thought you were saying that since DW's side door had been left open anyone trying to frame him could have gone in and done laundry explaining the fiber evidence.

Please put me on that ping list! Thank you.

I gather someone livened the thread up with good old-fashioned slander. Unsubstantiated, of course. Since the offending post has been pulled, can you paraphrase (without re-offending the readers)? I'm not easily insulted, but if I was included in an gratuitous swipe at my character, I might take it wrong (pending apology of course)

What post got pulled?

, Star and Enquirer

Gosh, don't get me started on tabloids. :-P

I think that some small children maybe abused, particularly in northern europe and asia, but most of it is simulated.

In any case I think it has NO value in determining who killed Danielle. The real dangers to Danielle were much closer to home.....in her home in fact.

Welcome aboard. There's room for everybody.

BOLTHEAD, you have been added to the PING LIST. Thank you and Welcome to the Threads!

Sorry Kim, too many - sometimes, somewhere, more than likely's, unknown, possibly, may have been, might have - to convince me that DAW is the perp. of this horrendous crime.

I still think the swinging angle is much more important to the hot-head 'hang 'em before the trial' crowd. I can't quite grasp why but there is a small segment of the pro-DA side that finds it quite titillating.

Interesting that they then turn and claim the porn on DW's computers (a minute fraction of which is rumored (but unsubstantiated) to be 'child' porn) is a clear indicator of motive and guilt; all the while claiming out the other side of their mouth that the porn from the VD's is unimportant.

I'm not saying this necessarily applies to you, just the real whacko hot-heads. Wonder what they will do for excitement during the long break ...

I agree. Way too much garbage in/garbage out to convince me they've come close to tying this thing to Westerfield.