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To: bvw
I have had some experience with swingers. Fortunately I did not swing, but I was pretty libertine for some time. Live and learn. I definitely highly reccommend against allowing young people to "sow some wild oats."

Okay. The following is just my opinion now.

But as remember the early, early, early reports was that the Van Dam marriage was failing. And Damon suggested wife swapping (which I think they did twice) This is such a male thing and REALLY not a female thing at all. I think Brenda did it to "save the marriage" (we know that this is not the solution). But I think she hated Barb since Barb REALLY was a threat.

I suspect that Brenda could kill Damon at this point for forcing the stupid swinging issue. And I predict that this couple will separate immediately after this trial is over.

1,187 posted on 07/09/2002 7:36:41 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers
Concur about the DIVORCE!

I have been wondering if Damon isn't/wasn't having an affair at the time????...Was not actually at home with the children???.Did not really have a business trip????
1,196 posted on 07/09/2002 7:41:50 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: BunnySlippers
But as remember the early, early, early reports was that the Van Dam marriage was failing. And Damon suggested wife swapping (which I think they did twice) This is such a male thing and REALLY not a female thing at all. I think Brenda did it to "save the marriage" (we know that this is not the solution). But I think she hated Barb since Barb REALLY was a threat.

I suspect that Brenda could kill Damon at this point for forcing the stupid swinging issue. And I predict that this couple will separate immediately after this trial is over.

Hmmmmmm..... In MY OPINION, you are probably right. The question now would be, did this 'unhappiness', wife-swapping, jealously, conflict going on, between Barb, Damon, Brenda , HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH DANEILLE's DEATH ?

1,197 posted on 07/09/2002 7:43:34 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: BunnySlippers
There is a thread on FR that was posted in news but moved to the boondocks of chat: Partner Swapping Comes Out of Closet. This article covers the pyschology of why some couples start swinging and why they keep at it.

Here's a excerpt that addresses your hypothesis. If Brenda and David follow the regular pattern it would have been David who got them into it and Brenda who keeps them there. That regular pattern as described in the article is consistent with Brenda's "gay club" trips, and her "Girl's Night Out", I think. Here it is:

WOMEN DRIVING MOVEMENT NOW "Women are more liberated. They're the ones who are driving this movement today," said Dr. Ted McIlvenna, president of the Institute for Advanced Study of Human Sexuality in San Francisco.

McIlvenna, who is 70, a former United Methodist minister and not a swinger himself, has studied sex clubs for more than 25 years and began tracking swingers 12 years ago.

Generally, McIlvenna said, it's the man who wants to try swinging and the woman who wants to go back. "The woman might like the stuff that's going on, but her family-forming behavior kicks in," McIlvenna said. "She likes the sense of community. The man is simply going to get laid."


1,291 posted on 07/10/2002 5:07:27 AM PDT by bvw
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