Posted on 07/09/2002 7:10:44 AM PDT by Illbay
. . . unless the kidney damage is permament. In that case, 20 years to life would be in the ballpark. If the kid dies, try them all for murder-one (although the conviction would likely come back at murder-two).
Personally, It wouldn't have been me that called the cops, it would have been the coroner......
The cops would have found these two geniuses dead on my fron porch.
But for the Preacher to take the equal of an axe handle to your back'n butt is criminal. If this kid dies ,IMHO it is capitol murder .....yes/no ?
Stay Safe !
This was an isolated incident.
If you are aware of more evangelical church savage beatings, please let us know.
Cordially,
The downturn in evangelicalism is real, though I doubt this church really preaches “by grace, through faith”. My guess is this church prides itself on its fundamental dogma, and the gospel preached there is founded on works.
The confessing church throughout time has always preached Christ came for sinners, standing in the fray, while Gnostics on the left deny the body, blood and incarnation, and fundamentalists on the right negate the sacrifice by requiring works of the law. This church is probably no more a place of worship than Joe’s garage.
It’s faulty reasoning to use this incident to smear Christians of any denomination when The Scriptures obviously contradict this type of behavior.
Owl_Eagle
”Guns Before Butter.”
Bears repeating.
Wolves in sheep's clothing.
I believe you are correct. I also believe sexual assaults on boys and young men by Catholic priests and Mormon elders are isolated incidents.
Illbay ought to appreciate that.
An 11-year-old boy who read the wrong Bible verse at church was severely beaten with a tree branch by a Baptist pastor and the pastor's brother, the boy's family said.
I'll wait for evidence to pass final judgement in this church blaming media atmosphere.
The difference here is that the vast majority of Christians view this act as an atrocity, and want the perpetrators punished. The Islamic world, by and large, has institutionalized this sort of barbaric behaviour.
Let's see what more comes of this. Perhaps the stepfather did part of it. It's very early and usually somebody talks after the initial police reports are published.
The problem as I see both the recent Priest scandals and with this incident is the WILLINGNESS of the sheeple in the congregation to totally rely on someone else for their education in faith. Very seldom do I see christians conducting their own education. Rather, they rely on the clergy to TELL them what is right and wrong and when the clergy backs it up with a scripture or two - often taken out of context - the sheeple accept it as truth without conducting their own research.
This "absolute trust" leads to an environment where behaviors are not questioned or supervised. The clergy and pastors are allowed to have a free hand in the running of the church without oversight. In my particular involvement, I found that the pastor had been able to push through a number of changes to the Church's constitution that made is removal near impossible (he was removed anyway). Also, he had managed to consolidate almost all power into the office of the Sr. Pastor without any oversight. It was necessary to correct this by distributing powers and adding checks and balances to the constitution.
While the age of the pastor is only a minor issue to me, I would be concerned that a pastor would be taking children from the church. Our revised constitution made specific rules for the custody of children and what could and could not be done. One of the first rules was that parents would be the first notified of any misconduct. Teachers, Church staff, and Ministerial staff were NOT allowed to punish children in any way. This policy was adopted to clearly articulate to the staff acceptable behaviors. It sounds to me that this church has never addressed such issues.
As such, it exposes the church to lawsuits. I think that churches should review their constitution for a balance of powers and review their policies with a view of preventing conduct that would expose the church to a lawsuit. Such reviews may take a more cynical approach that maybe uncomfortable, but they are of great value in preventing things like this in the first place.
On a side note - Having been through the most basic process of creating a small constitution, I now have much greater appreciation for our founding fathers and the task that they faced. I would imagine that a simular exercise for a class on American History would be a great teaching tool.
Just my .02
Because you are neither judge nor jury with any power at all to affect the lives or future of the alleged assailants, you ought to feel free to "judge" all you want.
Oh wait, you are judging. You're accusing the step-father. Well enough.
All Christians view this act as an atrocity and want the perpetrators punished.
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