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1 posted on 07/10/2002 5:45:07 AM PDT by SJackson
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" ... an elected leadership of their own choice ... "

The lesson is, that to be free and prosper, a people must be determined, and they must be self-determined to sacrifice their lives to establish justice which adheres to the rule of law and to the peoples' soverign authority. Once established, or at least in formation, the benefits of capital investment will bear out through dedication.

What America has that is so fleeting to the rest of the world, is our living democratic-republic and rule of law; though what the world sees is wealth.

We have been giving away some of our wealth, when we should have been instructing, not as much about money markets, but about the business of such foreign peoples' helping each other to establish and enforce their own democratic-republics.

It's not as simple as achieving a popular vote; communist countries have a popular vote. A choice from among a barrel of rotten apples, is still a rotten apple, especially when all you have is a choice ... you are without the many avenues of petition and redress, and very much destitute the authority to fix things.

The success of a democratic-republic is more complex; and understanding the formula, and knowing how to teach it --- that is what we have to offer, and in my humble opinion we should.

2 posted on 07/10/2002 5:54:24 AM PDT by First_Salute
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Oh Shame! The American people really deserve a better leader.

Yeah, maybe we should import one of the exemplary leaders from the Middle East to come over here and make us proud.

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

3 posted on 07/10/2002 5:58:03 AM PDT by mikeb704
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"Occupation came before terror. Without condoning terror, one has to understand that the violence witnessed on the ground is simply a reflection of a cause and effect situation.

This disinformation continues to be repeated and as a result will one day become the truth. What these Jew-hating Arabs will not admit is that historically when one country attacks another country and loses, the winner quite often ends up with a portion of the attacking country's territory. When countries repeatedly attack and lose, they should consider themselves lucky to only lose a little territory. The West Bank and the Gaza Strip are not "occupied territory", they are Israel.

"Palestinians" is a made up nationality just to have a pawn to use against Israel.

4 posted on 07/10/2002 6:08:10 AM PDT by Another Galt
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The American People deserve a better leader

I have a fair idea. The Palestinians don't have to give the US money until we elect a leader they like, and we don't have to give them money until they elect a leader til we like.

Better yet, let 'em elect a real leader or not, but let's not give them any money anyway.

5 posted on 07/10/2002 6:09:05 AM PDT by Maceman
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He gave the Palestinians very little hope for an end to the Israeli military occupation and as such his speech will probably inflame terror rather than subdue it."

Note to Hanna Nasir--Yasser Arafat gives the Palestinians less hope than the Israelis and the Americans do, IMHO.

Perhaps he would do better seeking a 'family home' amongst those who share his 'values' and methods?

6 posted on 07/10/2002 6:17:14 AM PDT by d14truth
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Looks like the U.S. isn't the only country with a case of academic diahhrea.
7 posted on 07/10/2002 6:27:17 AM PDT by TADSLOS
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Bush insulted the Palestinians.

You're right, he should have been praising you for your ability to dance and howl like monkeys when the WTC fell (and I'm talking about Palestinians in NEW YORK).

his speech will probably inflame terror rather than subdue it

And you poor, helpless Palestinians will the be ones perpetrating it.

Occupation came before terror.

Learn how to fight like honorable soldiers and you wouldn't be occupied, coward.

Without condoning terror, one has to understand that the violence witnessed on the ground is simply a reflection of a cause and effect situation.

That is analagous to saying to your neighbor "your dog crapped in my yard, so I killed your entire family. It's just a cause and effect situation."

or the grave violations of human rights that have been going on for more than 35 years.

ROTFLMAO, I think you are talking about how ARAB countries treat Palestinians.

Oh Shame! The American people really deserve a better leader.

I think you meant "Oh Shame! We can't buy this leader with our oil money like every leader in Europe."

Hanna Nasir is the President of Birzeit University

Let me know how well your university does without oil money or US aid being pumped into it, Hanna. I'd also like to see a list of students that have gone onto promising and successfull carreers (murdering innocents).

8 posted on 07/10/2002 6:47:15 AM PDT by Shryke
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Blah, blah, blah Bush...

Yadda, yadda, yadda Bush...

Some sh!t, different day.

10 posted on 07/10/2002 7:11:47 AM PDT by metesky
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" Israeli leaders stress the issue of terror while intimidating the world into ignoring the root causes of it. It suits them not to talk about the occupation, the illegal building of settlements on Palestinian soil and the confiscation of lands or the grave violations of human rights that have been going on for more than 35 years."

Nevermind the indoctrination of their children in palestinian school. Open up any book to see why they hate Isreal. HATE IS THE REAL ROOT OF TERRORISM. This author thinks it can all end at the stroke of a pen. It will take a least a generation to purge this indoctrination.

11 posted on 07/10/2002 7:27:36 AM PDT by rudypoot
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Bullsh!t. What the Palestinians are asking for, "an end to occupation", is asking for Israel to comply with their demands before they reciprocate with peace. What's the point? Why should Israel acquiesce to their demands in exchange for nothing?
12 posted on 07/10/2002 10:10:33 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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Occupation came before terror. Without condoning terror, one has to understand that the violence witnessed on the ground is simply a reflection of a cause and effect situation.

Barbra Streisand.

13 posted on 07/10/2002 10:22:33 AM PDT by john in missouri
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Sigh.....one more time, in very simple english. Once there is an end to terror, there will be an end to the occupation. If the Palestinians choose to re-elect Arafat, that's their choice. We don't care. We just won't do anything to help them. We didn't pick their leader for them, we just said that if they choose Arafat, there's nothing more we can do to help them.

Why on earth would we help people get a state until they've shown that they are capable of running a state.

They can do what they want, and we'll help them if they make a decision to elect someone who won't steal from them. If they decide they want leaders who are not corrupt, if they want a legal system that actually MEANS something. If not, they're on their own.

14 posted on 07/10/2002 10:58:03 AM PDT by McGavin999
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How is it possible to slam Palestinian "leaders"?
15 posted on 07/10/2002 10:59:10 AM PDT by Let's Roll
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