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Kay Henson (spanking mom) back in WI jail. Freep the heck out of Wisconsin!
CP Prosecutions ^ | July 17-18, 2002 | Various

Posted on 07/19/2002 10:35:43 AM PDT by cherrycapital

(July 17, 2002, Family Advocacy Center)

This is an emergency notification regarding yet another arrest and incarceration of Kay Henson by her probation officer in the Walworth County jail. Kay is on probation because she spanked her ten year old son with her hand and was charged with felony child abuse. Upon the advice of counsel, she pled guilty to simple battery and was placed on probation (yes, she regrets it). PO Eileen has repeatedly violated Kay's probation for specious reasons unrelated to the terms of her probation for the retaliatory purposes of throwing Kay in jail. Kay is nursing her infant daughter, and each time she is incarated, county jail officials refuse to provide her with a breast pump to prevent breast engorgement, mastitis and infection.

It all started when Kay had been contacted by Warner Brothers requesting her appearance on a talk show. PO Haffey vehemently opposed Kay's travel out of Wisconsin as well as Kay's disclosures to the media regarding Ms. Haffey's and CPS abuses of power and wanton disregard for the limits of their authority and the attenant violations of Kay's rights. The most recent incarceration is a direct result of yet another anonymous report of child neglect against Kay alleging her 2 1/2 year old was in the street. Multiple witnesses observed a police officer take the child off of the sidewalk before bringing her to Kay's house and informing her that he had rescued the child from the street.

PO Haffey showed up at Kay's door with a CPS caseworker and insisted that if Kay did not allow the caseworker into her home, that she would consider it a violation of her probation. It was at this point that American Family Advocacy Center director Suzanne Shell was called and participated by telephone. During the 'investigation,' Kay was instructed by the PO that if she did not answer the question, it would be considered a violation of her probation. At this point, Ms. Shell instructed Kay to get her attorney on the phone, and the PO went ballistic and advised Kay that if she did get her attorney on the phone, it would be considered a violation of her probation. Ms. Haffey expressly refused to recognized a properly executed power of attorney appointing Ms. Shell as Kay's agent. After a direct confrontation with Ms. Shell, the PO advised Kay to get her attorney on the phone. (this entire conversation is completely documented on audio tape)

After Kay had responded to questions directly related to the allegation, the caseworker began asking questions related to conducting a risk assessment. Ms. Shell and Kay's attorney stopped that line of questioning. PO Haffey was angry and an appointment was set up for today to complete the interview.

Kay filed a temporary restraining order against her PO and CPS before appearing at that meeting. Kay and Slade have also assigned temporary guardianship of their children and the children have been transported to a secret location for their safety. This has also angered PO Haffey.PO Haffey's response was to have Kay thrown in jail. She has filed a writ of habeas corpus which has not been decided yet. Kay is still in jail and her pain increases as each hour passes.

There are several complaints associated with the most recent incarceration of Kay:

1.Eileen Haffey's unprofessional conduct of overstepping her boundaries by making demands of Kay that are not included in the terms of her probation and outside the defined scope of her duties. (see below)

2. Eileen Haffey's repeated threats of incarceration for specious reasons which constitute continued violations of the rights of Kay Henson and her husband, Slade. (Haffey demanded proof of Slade's earnings or else she would violate Kay's probation.)

3. The refusal of jail personnel to provide Kay with needed medical intervention; specifically a breast pump. The imposition of cruel and unusual punisment by forcing Kay's medical condition to deteriorate to increasingly painful levels without providing the simple and inexpensive treatment to prevent that pain - a breast pump.

4. Eileen Haffey's refusal to honor a properly executed power of attorney without the requisite authority supporting that refusal.

5. Eileen Haffey's unprofessional conduct by allowing her personal feelings for Kay to influence her profession actions.

We encourage interested parties to contact the responsible parties listed below and make their comments:

Walworth County Probation Officer Eilene Haffey phone number 262-741-6370

Walworth County Probation Office fax number 262-723-5671 (one supervisor's name is Jon Litscher)

Division of Community Corrections

Mr. William J. Grosshans, Administrator

Phone (608) 240-5300

Facsimile: (608) 240-3330

Leonard Henderson, American Family Rights Association:

I have known Kay Henson for 2 years during her battle with the Wisconsin CPS. Kay has been counseling with Suzanne Shell. Kay is a member of AFRA.

The Emergency Message I put out yesterday for a Temporary Custody form was to GET HER KIDS out of Wisconsin FAST before the big trap snapped.

Kay sent me her documents at 5:23 am July 17, 2002. I have assembled her documents and the email from Suzanne Shell at- http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/members/wisconsin/index.html

I don't know if Kay had opportunity to file these documents before she was arrested.

Please read the documents so you can get a feel for what has been going on. The main thing is Warner Brothers wanted to fly Kay out to California to do a TV show on what Wisconsin has been doing to her. Kay had to get permission from her probation officer. This attack appears to be retribution for Kay's efforts and intent to expose Wisconsin's corruption.

We all need to let Wisconsin know that American Family Rights Association are watching their shenanigans.

We encourage interested parties to contact the responsible parties listed above and make their comments.

Suzanne Shell (Family Advocacy Center), July 18:

Kay called me this morning. She was told that someone could bring in a breast pump for her. Two of her friends tried but were refused. Her upper chest is now red and her breasts do no fit in her nursing bra any more. She has repeatedly requested to see a doctor and been denied. She is now in solitary because she has a 'hair tie' (like a weave) and the demand she removes it from her hair. She is willing but can't do it herself so they are threatening to hold her down and cut her hair off.

Kay is a Messianic Jew and they do not cut their or their children's hair for religious reasons. She is now in solitary and on a hunger strike for their refusal to allow her access to needed medical treatment, for their blatant disregrad of her devoutly held religious beliefs and for her illegal incarceration.

PO Eileen Hagffey has been removed from her case and a new PO (Kathy something) has been assigned. No news on the writ of habeas corpus. Suzanne is out of the office this morning and will return with more information this afternoon. We urge you to contact the Walworth County probation office, the Wisconsin Department of Corrections and the Walworth County jail regarding this atrocity.

The children are still safely hidden and Kay reports that if Slade tells the probation office where they are, Kay will be released. Please show Kay and Slade your support in this trying time.

(Suzanne Shell, Family Advocacy Center, July 18 evening)

Kay is still in jail and has been refused access to a breast pump and a doctor. A doctor even called the jail and advised them that Kay needed a breast pump. AFAC is obtaining an affidavit from that Dr. and from the friends who attempted to provide Kay with a breast pump (Jail officials said it looked like a bomb and refused to give it to Kay)

She was served with the notice of revocation which states the following (paraphrased) reasons:

Violation item 1 of her probation by failing to adequatly supervise 2 1/2 year old Aliyah as evidence by the anonymous report to CPS

Violaiton item 1 of her probation terms- child neglect - inadquate supervision of her children when she allowed them to be placed with persons unknown to her in a location unkown to her. (the location of the children is known to the legal guardian. Kay was not advised of their location in order to protect her)

Violation item 1 of her probations terms - child neglect - by allowing her seven month old nursing daughter to be placed out of her care without adequate assurances that she would be recieving appropriate nutrition. (WHAT HYPOCRACY - They jail her and not allow her to nurse the baby and THAT'S not neglect or abuse?) For those who have commented that perhaps Kay should just cooperate - she was. That is what got her into this predicament. PO Haffey just doesn't like Kay (Yes, Kay is crass and a gut-busting riot but her heart is righteous) and obviously believes it's ok to use her power to hurt Kay, Slade and five innocent children.

Kay has been advised that if Slade is at the home tomorrow with the children, Kay will be released. Those of us who know CPS can reasonably suspect it is a trap to take custody of the children based on the allegations of neglect stated above. At least if Kay fights the revocation of her probation, the state will have to prove these allegations BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. If she wins, it will establish her right to refused entry to CPS agents even though she is on probation. The State of Wisconsin obviously has no qualms about manipulating family relationships to punish a mom who knows her rights.

The Probation office and the jail are quite miffed at the show of support which has been evidenced by your calls, faxes an emails. They are retaliating agianst Kay. We are doucmenting this retaliation. She doesn't want you to stop even though she is facing nine months in jail.

Friday - we must contact the Wisconsin Governor McCallum's office and the media about this abuse of power. Plead for a pardon for Kay or, alternatively, a stay of execution on the revodation of her probation. LET THIS MOTHER GO HOME TO HER CHILDREN. She is not a felon - she is a pastor's wife! She spanked her son, who needed the spanking. Her children need her, and her continued incaration is in direct contradiction to the published goal of probation to strengthen the family. Be sure to give appropriate credit to PO Eileen Haffey for her role in the atrocity.

Advise them we will contact the media - then do it. Call the talk radio show hosts in WI. Contact the newspapers. AFAC will be sending out press releases, too. You all have been wonderful, let's keep the pressure on.

contact info:

Office of the Governor 115 East State Capitol

Madison, WI 53702

(608) 266-1212

Fax: (608) 267-8983

page to email http://www.wisgov.state.wi.us/contact.asp


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I know these people and this is the worst sort of small-town vendetta against an innocent family that you can imagine. Please call the Governor, (608) 266-1212 and ask him to pardon Kay Henson immediately.
1 posted on 07/19/2002 10:35:44 AM PDT by cherrycapital
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To: cherrycapital
Terrible. I guess the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child has already been implemented. What a time in which to raise children. Pretty frightening.
2 posted on 07/19/2002 11:00:35 AM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: *CPSWatch
Index Bump
3 posted on 07/19/2002 11:01:12 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: cherrycapital
One thing Mrs. Henson is going to learn and learn swiftly that 1) she's now under the supervision of the Department of Probation and Parole (or whatever they're calling themselves these days) and they can, indeed, tell her what she can and cannot do and 2) that probation agents, as well as CPS workers have immunity from suit and 3) she's not going to get that restraining order. Oh, and 4) the Governor is not going to grant her a pardon.

If she keeps acting this way, she's going to find herself revoked in a very short period of time. If the judge imposed and stayed a sentence, she'll end up serving it all. If the judge withheld sentence, she'll go before the judge and he or she will impose a jail sentence. It could be the maximum sentence under law, or it could be a shorter period of time. She will get credit for time served.

If she's lucky, the children may not be taken away and put in foster care, but the possibility that she will not have any contact with the children besides supervised visitation is a distinct possibility.

4 posted on 07/19/2002 11:02:22 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: cherrycapital
Warner Bros. probably want to have Dina Meyer play Kay.
5 posted on 07/19/2002 11:03:14 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: cherrycapital
Kay is a Messianic Jew and they do not cut their or their children's hair for religious reasons. She is now in solitary and on a hunger strike for their refusal to allow her access to needed medical treatment, for their blatant disregrad of her devoutly held religious beliefs and for her illegal incarceration.

Anti-semitism? Racism? Cruel and unusual punishment? Guilty until proven innocent (as in all cases with family "services")?

Where is the freakin' ACLU?

Upon the advice of counsel, she pled guilty to simple battery and was placed on probation (yes, she regrets it).

In this situation, given the abuses of power, admission of guilt is a big no-no.

So where is the talk show? Anyone contacted 60 Minutes? You have to publicly demonstrate the egregious idiocy of these beaurocrats before corrective action will occur.

6 posted on 07/19/2002 11:18:30 AM PDT by SpinyNorman
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To: cherrycapital
Walworth County Probation Officer Eilene Haffey phone number 262-741-6370
Needs a spanking herself.

-Eric

7 posted on 07/19/2002 11:32:25 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: cherrycapital; RGSpincich; Poohbah; Catspaw
Not knowing the details of this case, I would hesitate to jerk the knee and "support" this woman. The whiney "fundamentalists" too often cover up their egregious behavior by making such claims as this. So maybe it's true, maybe not.

Kinda hard to tell from an advocacy group's press release. (Not that they're BIASED or anything...)

8 posted on 07/19/2002 11:47:08 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
I have an extremely hard time believing the claims made about the probation officer's behavior. And leaving a 2-1/2-year-old roaming the sidewalk is rather stupid, IMNHO.
9 posted on 07/19/2002 11:49:58 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: hsmomx3
Well if spanking your children by hand is a felony and in direct violation of a UN edict, that must make my folks WAR CRIMINALS for all the lumps I took getting discipline through my thick skull.
10 posted on 07/19/2002 11:51:44 AM PDT by SandfleaCSC
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To: Catspaw
If she keeps acting this way, she's going to find herself revoked in a very short period of time. If the judge imposed and stayed a sentence, she'll end up serving it all. If the judge withheld sentence, she'll go before the judge and he or she will impose a jail sentence. It could be the maximum sentence under law, or it could be a shorter period of time. She will get credit for time served.

If she's lucky, the children may not be taken away and put in foster care, but the possibility that she will not have any contact with the children besides supervised visitation is a distinct possibility.

"Hi. We're from the government. We're here to help you."

Cordially,

11 posted on 07/19/2002 11:53:09 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: SandfleaCSC; RGSpincich; Catspaw; dighton; Poohbah
Please note that this is what this PRESS RELEASE says is the charge.

One problem that CPS orgs have is that they are forbidden by law from releasing details of these kinds of cases unless the parent is facing a felony arrest.

That leaves the whiney types and the silly agendized groups that support them to make all kinds of wild claims.

Again, don't know what the truth is here, but you can bet you're not going to find it in a press release of this type.

12 posted on 07/19/2002 12:14:26 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Diamond
That's pretty much it. Once she plea bargained and accepted a sentence of probation, she also agreed to submit to their rules. In fact, everytime she goes to see her PO, she has to sign a list of rules, which includes language that says, more or less, the PO can tell you what to do & when to do it. If she doesn't like probation, she can simply request that she be revoked & a jail sentence is imposed. I've seen some of the more experienced jailbirds request the jail time and refuse probation because they hate being on paper.

Oh, and her hunger strike? Well, if she hasn't told jail personnel that she's on a hunger strike, they can read it here. And what do they do to prisoners on hunger strikes? Well, what they do is to commit the person to the nearest public mental health facility, stick an NG tube down her nose and force feed that person. If the person fights, they put the person in four-point restraints.

Concealing the children is another not-so-bright idea. That gives CPS an opening to petition the court for an emergency order for custody of the children, and once the children are located, one or both parents are going to be charged criminally with interference with custody (because CPS now has custody)--a class C felony under Wisconsin law (maximum sentence: 15 years in prison, $10,000 fine or both).

She's digging a deeper hole for herself.

13 posted on 07/19/2002 12:20:40 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: SpinyNorman
Guilty until proven innocent

Read the story again. She's already plead guilty to "simple battery" (which is probably battery under 940.19(1), a class A misdemeanor) and was sentenced to probation. The maximum jail time is nine months.

14 posted on 07/19/2002 12:26:06 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Illbay
I wouldn't touch this case unless I could read the case file. I'd like to know what the original charge was, because it may have been reduced in the plea bargain.

However, this case has a familiar ring to it, doesn't it?

15 posted on 07/19/2002 12:27:34 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Illbay; Poohbah; cherrycapital
Tough to judge without additional data.

A google search for Kay Henson yields lots of stuff, mostly noise. Kay Henson + Wisconsin turns up very little; likewise ~ + spanking and ~ + abuse.

Anyone?

16 posted on 07/19/2002 12:29:57 PM PDT by dighton
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To: dighton
Walworth county is one of the few counties in Wisconsin that doesn't submit their data to CCAP, but even with CCAP, it'd still take someone to go to the Walworth county clerk of courts to pull the file.

It does sound like she's being revoked. And the administrative judge that does the revocations does not have to find that she's violated the rules of probation "beyond a reasonable doubt." That's for the jury. It's a lower standard (I'd have to look it up). The decisions by the adminstrative judge are almost always appealled and almost never reversed.

Oh, and if she's truly desparate about pumping her breasts, she doesn't need a breast pump. It can be done manually, just like handstripping a cow.

17 posted on 07/19/2002 12:34:44 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
Hell hath no fury like a bureaucrat scorned.
Milton Friedman

Cordially,

18 posted on 07/19/2002 12:37:52 PM PDT by Diamond
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To: SandfleaCSC
Yeah, while raising my kids, I committed a few crimes against humanity. My kids all turned out good. It's tough raising one's offspring these days.
19 posted on 07/19/2002 12:40:43 PM PDT by Pushi
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To: Diamond
In order to get out from under their thumb, she could ask that her probation be revoked and just do her jail time. Then she won't have to continue to fight them.

But as far as the kids go, she and her husband have dug a Brian and Ruth Christine-sized hole. They will be facing a CHIPs petition, if they haven't already, and loss of custody of the children, if the state doesn't have legal custody of the children already.

I have a very strong feeling that these people are getting very bad advice from this advocacy group, and both she and her husband are going to end up in prison if they keep going this way. That is their choice, but I can't say as I didn't warn them.

20 posted on 07/19/2002 12:44:52 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: cherrycapital; Illbay
Let me get this straight: Her 2 1/2 year old kid was wnadering around out on the sidwalk and the mother had no idea?

What's wrong with her?

I just can't believe most of these press releases. The last one we were treated to was the loveable and innocent Christine family. Of course it later turned out that they starved the kid, and the Dad smacked one on the hand producing a terrible wound and did not provide medical attention.

I'll reserve judgement on this one until we know more.
21 posted on 07/19/2002 12:45:47 PM PDT by Rodney King
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To: Rodney King
wnadering=wandering
22 posted on 07/19/2002 12:46:14 PM PDT by Rodney King
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To: Diamond
Hell hath no fury like a bureaucrat scorned.
Milton Friedman
It is the invariable habit of bureaucracies, at all times and everywhere, to assume...that every citizen is a criminal. Their one apparent purpose, pursued with a relentless and furious diligence, is to convert the assumption into a fact. They hunt endlessly for proofs, and, when proofs are lacking, for mere suspicions. The moment they become aware of a definite citizen, John Doe, seeking what is his right under the law, they begin searching feverishly for an excuse for withholding it from him.

-H. L. Mencken.

23 posted on 07/19/2002 12:47:35 PM PDT by E Rocc
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To: Catspaw
It can be done manually, just like handstripping a cow.

Ah, the dark side of Big Milk in Wisconsin. A crime against bovinity. Our California dairies would never allow such things.

;-)

24 posted on 07/19/2002 12:48:28 PM PDT by dighton
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To: dighton
Do not slur America's Dairyland! <---- that's on our license plates, you know.
25 posted on 07/19/2002 12:51:53 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
Like you, I have some hesitation without seeing the case file. I do think your legal analysis is right on the mark, but I still deplore the state's breaking up of this family out of pretty much nothing but petty bureaucratic vindictiveness and foolishness.

Cordially,

26 posted on 07/19/2002 12:51:59 PM PDT by Diamond
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To: Rodney King
Hey, my son climbed a gate WITH A LOCK at that age. He also climbed out on our roof, and started pulling the shingles off. When I put key locks on our front door, and windows, I was informed that I would be prosecuted if one of my children died in a fire.

A determined child is hard to keep inside. Of course, I have no idea about THIS case, but I have experience with a Houdini toddler.
27 posted on 07/19/2002 12:52:57 PM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: Politicalmom
Hey, my son climbed a gate WITH A LOCK at that age.

How was your kid out of your sight long enough to do that?

28 posted on 07/19/2002 12:55:30 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
He was watching Sesame Street in our family room. I went upstairs to get his baby sister. I changed her diaper. He did it in about three minutes. The gate was five feet from our sliding back door.

Judgemental, aren't you? It is difficult to do household chores while carrying several children around. I actually leave my kids alone downstairs while I carry the laundry upstairs. Oh, the horror!!
29 posted on 07/19/2002 1:07:33 PM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: Diamond
Unless we have the case file (and the criminal case file is public record), I hestitate to come down on either side of this thing. The press release is not an objective analysis of the situation. I'd start rising up in righteous indignation if I can review the information on both sides and make a decision as to whether this is a bureaucratic overreaction or if support for her is warranted.

As far as the pardon is concerned, the Governor will not grant her a pardon unless, for example, she can prove she's been wrongly convicted, her case has gone through the appeals process (which she forfeited when she plead guilty), and meet a number of other criteria. Because someone doesn't like or won't comply with probation is not one of criteria. Certainly, calling and writing the governor's office won't cut it with McCallum. And he's not going to grant a pardon of this sort in an election year when there's a good probability it's going to be a very close election.

30 posted on 07/19/2002 1:09:07 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: cherrycapital
Where's Walworth County? Is it by Milwaulkee, G.B., LaCrosse???
32 posted on 07/19/2002 1:24:40 PM PDT by Dengar01
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To: Catspaw
I have a very strong feeling that these people are getting very bad advice from this advocacy group

Yep, looks familiar.

33 posted on 07/19/2002 1:30:56 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Dengar01
Southeast of Madison, southwest of Milwaukee, along the state border with Illinois.
34 posted on 07/19/2002 1:32:28 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: one_particular_harbour
Tossin' matches, again?
35 posted on 07/19/2002 1:32:34 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: one_particular_harbour
Naw, I'm not going to touch THAT one, not gonna do it.
36 posted on 07/19/2002 1:33:59 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
Do not slur America's Dairyland! <---- that's on our license plates, you know.

HA!


37 posted on 07/19/2002 1:35:39 PM PDT by dighton
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To: cherrycapital
The naysayers in this thread have NO experience with how evil smalltown CPS and probation works. I do. I have friends who have gone through nightmares because of government workers with a little Hitler complex and too much time on their hands. I've also known CPS workers. CPS is one organization that needs a massive overhaul, these people are actually allowed to "embellish" files in order to remove the child from the home. Their offices rely on a lot of government money to keep going. They get a fee for every child they adopt out, that's why they need to remove custody and adopt as soon as they can.
39 posted on 07/19/2002 1:47:35 PM PDT by goodieD
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To: Poohbah
"How was your kid out of your sight long enough to do that?"

You know, from almost any other FReeper, that would be posted with an implicit sarcastic tone, seeing as how the supposed thrust of the comment is ludicrous.

When the Wheel turns, there's going to be H*ll to pay--I wouldn't place short odds on the likelihood of any of these bureaucratic vampires getting their pensions.

They, and I suspect, you, will be lucky to escape with their hides.
40 posted on 07/19/2002 1:53:45 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Rodney King
Yeah, that's my point. I'd rather get my news from the police or DA press releases. Those are people who are actually ACCOUNTABLE for what they say, no matter what the anti-government-at-any-level-and-at-all-costs crowd might allege.
41 posted on 07/19/2002 2:12:06 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: dighton
You are so clever!
42 posted on 07/19/2002 2:12:44 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: cherrycapital
Any law which precludes a parent from raising their child IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.You have absolutely NO RIGHT to have such laws!
43 posted on 07/19/2002 2:14:13 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: goodieD
The naysayers in this thread have NO experience with how evil smalltown CPS and probation works.

BWAHAHAHA! That's right, tell cherrycapital to encourage her friends to take a one-way trip to prison & lose their kids in the process.

I'm not a naysayer. I posted an accurate picture of Wisconsin's criminal justice system, its probation department and CPS, and gee whiz, I sure didn't get that knowledge and experience out of a book. Take a guess: how do you think I obtained that knowledge?

BTW, how much do you think my aunt and uncle had to pay for the three kids they adopted? And I suppose they could special order them, too.

44 posted on 07/19/2002 2:20:44 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
...2) that probation agents, as well as CPS workers have immunity from suit and...

I'm not sure what the law is in Wisconsin, but here in CA such agents have only good-faith immunity, not blanket immunity from suit. While it is difficult to sue CPS or probations agents, if you can prove that the actions taken are malicious, or so far out of normal practice that the agent could have no good faith reason for taking the action, then they can be sued like anyone else. It is a high burden of proof, but if they have tapes of the probation agent creating new probation requirements on the fly, they probably have a case.

45 posted on 07/19/2002 2:57:03 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: Catspaw
While we take each other to task on this thread, let us not forget about this poor lady's aching and swollen bosom. If she's good enough aim, perhaps she can shoot the keys off the wall with a precisely directed beam of milk as Barn and Ang nap.
46 posted on 07/19/2002 2:58:15 PM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: Pushi
I can relate to this poor mom. My parents were trying to adopt two Romanian kids from out of state. We got them from a family that decided to put them up for adoption.
Long story ,it has to do with Romanian adoption policies.
My parents had a one year temp guardianship 8 months out we had put the litle girl in public school for the last couple months ( big mistake) to ease the burden of homeschooling the 13 year old brother . All was well
until CPS( Durango , Co) and should up in three unmarked
police vehicles and gave me and the romanian boy a whole bunch of trash with typical call of concern. the current state of the issue. We moved to the grand state of arizona they seized the kids. They degraded me and made a big deal about my gun hobbies and used it as an excuse to do a search of my house. One tip to avoid this is get a cheap fence arround your property and put a gate with a padlock.
It can be a cheap gate my parents used two cattle panels and an old combo lock. Cps by law can't cut fences unless
by a court order. CPs works by using civil court. they normally lose from criminal so they have these special civil courts that are biased because cps people sit on the board that makes the decisions. I'm sorry about the mess I have been harrased , threaten and degraded and lied by the cps in the county court.My parents are the ones that they are after but the degraded me to attempt to equalify me as a witness. I must commend this mom for sending her kids out of state. Very wise ,cps is limtied by state line.
My mess will be over ,but its costing my parents big bucks for lawyers fees and so on. But I think this mom's cps crap
will be over soon. Cps only can control kids , its their agenda.
47 posted on 07/19/2002 3:03:27 PM PDT by GunToting Arizonian
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To: Illbay
Please note that this is what this PRESS RELEASE says is the charge.

One problem that CPS orgs have is that they are forbidden by law from releasing details of these kinds of cases unless the parent is facing a felony arrest.

That leaves the whiney types and the silly agendized groups that support them to make all kinds of wild claims.

Again, don't know what the truth is here, but you can bet you're not going to find it in a press release of this type.

This is an excellent point. It amazes me how swiftly and skillfully a liberal biased document can be shredded yet a press release from an implied conservative source gets a pass. Biases certainly shape our opinion but to cling to them blindly in the face of facts (which we don't have here yet) makes us no better than liberals. Well a little better. ;-)

48 posted on 07/19/2002 3:14:16 PM PDT by amused
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To: goodieD
They get a fee for every child they adopt out, that's why they need to remove custody and adopt as soon as they can.

Adoption freebies from the Clinton anti-family era. It's $4,000.00 per child they recieve each time a child is legally ( depending on the meaning of the word "is") adopted.
These people are getting money and power hungry. Clinton granted them immence power , and a lucrative reward to back it up.
Just as PETA tries to tell you how to eat, Smoking Nazis tell you whats best for you, Enviro-Wacos tell you if you can use land, and this group tells you how they feel you should raise your kids.

49 posted on 07/19/2002 3:17:07 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: Pushi
Sorry it was my first post. And I can get quite angry when I hear cps involved. Let me sum this mom's cps trouble.

SCREW CPS , PO EILEEN , AND MS. HAFFEY

GO KAY HENSON
50 posted on 07/19/2002 3:18:48 PM PDT by GunToting Arizonian
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