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Senate Passes Born-Alive Infants Act
CWNews.com ^ | Jul 19, 02

Posted on 07/19/2002 4:00:40 PM PDT by nickcarraway

WASHINGTON, DC, Jul 19, 02 (CWNews.com) - The US Senate on Thursday passed a bill protecting children born alive from being killed-- even if it the child is born during an abortion. The bill now goes to the White House for President George W. Bush's signature. The Senate passed the bill unanimously and was passed by the House in March.

The Born-Alive Infants Protection Act would amend the legal definitions of "person," "human being," "child," and "individual" to include a live birth that has occurred as part of an abortion. Supporters of the law noted numerous documented instances of children born during abortions who were left to die or were smothered by doctors.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; health; medicine; prolife; senate
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1 posted on 07/19/2002 4:00:40 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: goldenstategirl
ping
2 posted on 07/19/2002 4:01:48 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
I'm shocked but pleased. Praise God.
3 posted on 07/19/2002 4:03:18 PM PDT by mombonn
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To: mombonn
BUMP!!!!
4 posted on 07/19/2002 4:04:09 PM PDT by phasma proeliator
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To: nickcarraway
Hooray!!

(You watch.. this sounds like a big nothing right now.. but give it a few years to develop a precedent and to ward off legal challenges, then we will go bash some people over the head with it.)

5 posted on 07/19/2002 4:04:10 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: nickcarraway
Supporters of the law noted numerous documented instances of children born during abortions who were left to die or were smothered by doctors.

Try that now and they'll be up for murder charges, as they should be. What else can you call it??

6 posted on 07/19/2002 4:05:53 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: marshmallow; victim soul; Askel5
Protected ping..
7 posted on 07/19/2002 4:06:10 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Well, incredibly some people called it "malpractice" when a child was born alive..

Just how ironic is that?

Words fail..

8 posted on 07/19/2002 4:07:22 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Does this include newborn babies left in dumpsters? Inquiring minds.......
9 posted on 07/19/2002 4:08:10 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: nickcarraway
Supporters of the law noted numerous documented instances of children born during abortions who were left to die or were smothered by doctors
I would like to see a source on this. Sounds like an urban legend to me.
10 posted on 07/19/2002 4:08:38 PM PDT by lelio
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To: Jhoffa_
Well, incredibly some people called it "malpractice" when a child was born alive.

Kind of like the meaning of "is".

Even the liberals in the Senate voted for it, perhaps a hint of a conscience exists after all.

11 posted on 07/19/2002 4:12:09 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Do you know who voted against it?
12 posted on 07/19/2002 4:15:59 PM PDT by bybybill
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Murder...nothing else...just murder.
13 posted on 07/19/2002 4:17:40 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: WIMom
Does this include newborn babies left in dumpsters?

If it doesn't, it ought to. Sure is sad though how often that happens.

14 posted on 07/19/2002 4:17:51 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: WIMom; Cagey
Where does partial birth abortion fall in here? The child would technically be alive when delivered......right?
15 posted on 07/19/2002 4:18:03 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Even the liberals in the Senate voted for it, perhaps a hint of a conscience exists after all.

Don't give them that much credit. It's all about politics.

Signed,
cynicmombonn

16 posted on 07/19/2002 4:18:06 PM PDT by mombonn
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To: lelio
Unfortunately it isn't an urban legend. If you look into it you will find out it is practicined. There is a nurse in Illinois who was fired after opposing this practice. Her name is Jill Stanek.

Born Alive Infants Protection

Babies Born Alive And left to die at Christ Hospital

17 posted on 07/19/2002 4:18:43 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway; RJayneJ; Tuco-bad; Lazamataz
As predicted, NOW's feminazi warriors are losing their clout as more and more of the baby boom generation gradually begin having grand-children (thus heralding a Conservative shift in their thinking). Ten years ago they would have fought this bill tooth and nail. As recently as five years ago they may have even won.

Now we've got another two decades to watch this demographic trend accelerate, as more and more Boomers join the ranks of their older peers.

Score another victory for the pro-Life crowd. We've still got a long way to go, but at least we are heading in the right direction.

18 posted on 07/19/2002 4:20:39 PM PDT by Southack
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To: nickcarraway
There was also at least one incident in Cincinnati. I read it in the local paper.

And the only reason we do hear these stories is because nurses, who disagreed with the practice, spoke out. How many nurses or other support staff do NOT disagree, or don't have the courage to come forward?

19 posted on 07/19/2002 4:23:18 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: bybybill
Do you know who voted against it?

Not yet, but I won't be suprised in the least if my illustrious representative Hillary did.

20 posted on 07/19/2002 4:24:27 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: lelio
Ask OB/GYN nurses about it. It is fairly common. It is certainly not rare at all.
21 posted on 07/19/2002 4:25:52 PM PDT by Seeking the truth
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To: nickcarraway
Supporters of the law noted numerous documented instances of children born during abortions who were left to die or were smothered by doctors.

I don't think "doctors" is the right word for these heartless killers.

22 posted on 07/19/2002 4:27:18 PM PDT by Rebellans
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To: lelio
Nurses are the likely source of the info as some of them are not as hard as some punk murderers....err, abortion doctors. a member of my family was present at a live birth where the doctor deliberately failed to stimulate the newborn,leaving him to die. My family member picked up the infant from the cold metal tray (probably smacked its bottom) and the child lived, and grew to be a normal adult.

For her effort , she was transferred away from maternity care .

Another time , she went into the "deceased's) room to wrap the body for transport to the morgue BUT THE DECEASED WAS SITTING ON THE SIDE OF THE BED asking for help !!!! The doctor was ANGRY at this.

Now we have the spectre of the soctor in England who is believed to have murdered hundreds during his career ?!

Doctors need to re-discover their oath to preserve life and society needs to stop worshiping death through legalized abortion and euthanasia.

23 posted on 07/19/2002 4:29:52 PM PDT by hoosierham
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To: nickcarraway
What was the vote split?
24 posted on 07/19/2002 4:32:13 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: nickcarraway
Well it doesn't go nearly far enough, but it's a start.
25 posted on 07/19/2002 4:32:27 PM PDT by exnavy
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To: mombonn
Don't give them that much credit. It's all about politics.

You're probably right mombonn. These liberals would sell out their mothers if it would help them get re-elected.

26 posted on 07/19/2002 4:32:47 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
These liberals would sell out their mothers if it would help them get re-elected.

I think most politicians of any orientation would do the same.

27 posted on 07/19/2002 4:35:04 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Good question -- my guess is that the killers of the baby will have to make sure it is dead prior to removing it. My assumption also would be that the killers will define "birth" as fully removed from the mother, so they will continue to pierce the small skull with a sharp instrument, and vacuum the brains of the child, just as before. This entire procedure needs to be outlawed, not renamed.
28 posted on 07/19/2002 4:35:32 PM PDT by TommyDale
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
"Even the liberals in the Senate voted for it, perhaps a hint of a conscience
exists after all."

True, but I think it's also a hint of how people feel free to do something moral when a moral man is in the White House. I saw a change in attitudes when Reagan was president. And we ALL saw the opposite of morality when Hildabeast and Bubba became co-presidents. Thank God we have President Bush.
29 posted on 07/19/2002 4:35:35 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: lelio
This was happening at Christ Hospital in a suburb of Chicago. Sickening. A friend of mine used to work there but in maintenance. A nurse was repremanded for attempting to save a live baby that was left to die on a stainless steel table, uncovered and unattended.
30 posted on 07/19/2002 4:36:50 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion
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To: mombonn
"Don't give them that much credit. It's all about politics."

You could be right, mombonn, but if the members of Congress think it's P.C. to vote for this bill, it shows that their constituency has demanded it, and that shows that people are aware again of morality.
31 posted on 07/19/2002 4:38:34 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
These liberals would sell out their mothers if it would help them get re-elected.

They do routinely - just ask mama gephardt. Little dick must make her so proud.

32 posted on 07/19/2002 4:40:10 PM PDT by mombonn
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To: exnavy; RJayneJ
"Well it doesn't go nearly far enough, but it's a start."

Quote of the day.

33 posted on 07/19/2002 4:41:22 PM PDT by Southack
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To: kitkat
They routinely ignore their constituencies, look at mclame and tiny tom as examples.

It's sheer politics.

That said, I reiterate - PRAISE GOD!

34 posted on 07/19/2002 4:44:37 PM PDT by mombonn
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To: kitkat
This bill would never have passed in the Senate if Clinton was still President. He would have opposed it every step of the way.
35 posted on 07/19/2002 4:45:22 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest; bybybill

From the article above:
The Senate passed the bill unanimously and was passed by the House in March.

It was a voice vote..... no recorded vote

36 posted on 07/19/2002 4:52:36 PM PDT by deport
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To: nickcarraway
Does this include babies murdered during a partial birth abortion?
37 posted on 07/19/2002 4:53:11 PM PDT by Sophie
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To: deport
Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2001 (Placed on Calendar in Senate)

Calendar No. 323

107th CONGRESS

2d Session

H. R. 2175

AN ACT

To protect infants who are born alive .


March 14, 2002

Read the second time and placed on the calendar

HR 2175 PCS

Calendar No. 323

107th CONGRESS

2d Session

H. R. 2175

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

March 13, 2002

Received; read the first time

March 14, 2002

Read the second time and placed on the calendar


AN ACT

To protect infants who are born alive .

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

SEC. 2. DEFINITION OF BORN -ALIVE INFANT.

`Sec. 8. `Person', `human being', `child', and `individual' as including born -alive infant

Passed the House of Representatives March 12, 2002.

Attest:

JEFF TRANDAHL,

Clerk.



38 posted on 07/19/2002 4:58:19 PM PDT by deport
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To: nickcarraway
The SENATE passed this??? President Bush must have been twisting arms.

I don't think ther'll be a problem with him signing it.

Thank GOD this passed. Thank GOD.

39 posted on 07/19/2002 4:59:01 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: nickcarraway
Sounds like something for a Rose Garden ceremony.
40 posted on 07/19/2002 4:59:54 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: WIMom
"Does this include newborn babies left in dumpsters? Inquiring minds......."

I thought of that too, but since I'm pretty sure the law isn't retroactive, the mother who murdered that baby will probably get off scott free...that's IF she's ever even caught.

41 posted on 07/19/2002 5:02:36 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Your Post # 6.

What Else can You or Anyone call it?

By its proper names:

I N F A N T I C I D E

AND...MOLECH Worship.

42 posted on 07/19/2002 5:04:43 PM PDT by Simcha7
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To: nickcarraway
They forgot the liberal spin. They need to add the following lines:

"Opponents however contend this sets a dangerous precedent that may interfere with a woman's right to choose."

"Many voters feel this is may have negative after-effects."

"With strong support from the Religious Right..."

43 posted on 07/19/2002 5:06:32 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: Bogey78O
Oh wait...this is CWN and not CNN.
44 posted on 07/19/2002 5:06:59 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: Southack
We've still got a long way to go, but at least we are heading in the right direction.

"Insiders" are talking of how the Dems might pick up 40 seats in the House this election.

Is this - "heading in the right direction"?

45 posted on 07/19/2002 5:09:35 PM PDT by Tuco-bad
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Even the liberals in the Senate voted for it, perhaps a hint of a conscience exists after all.

It will just make the doctors work a little harder to kill the babies before removing it from the body. Not that makes much difference, a dead baby either way.

46 posted on 07/19/2002 5:12:09 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Tuco-bad
"Insiders" are talking of how the Dems might pick up 40 seats in the House this election.

Insiders are being misquoted. There are 40 competitive races that Dems have a chance to pick up a seat. That is far different than actually thinking they will pick up 40 seats.

47 posted on 07/19/2002 5:13:53 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Tuco-bad
Of course you are just trolling alon, like you care what the truth is.
48 posted on 07/19/2002 5:15:28 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: nickcarraway
PS: I went to look at the vote but I can't find it on the Senate website..

Does anyone know of a third party that tracks measures and the vote I can bookmark?

Thank You..

49 posted on 07/19/2002 5:16:53 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: lelio
Supporters of the law noted numerous documented instances of children born during abortions who were left to die or were smothered by doctors
I would like to see a source on this. Sounds like an urban legend to me.

Where you been?
These stories have been reported for years, even in the lamestream press.

50 posted on 07/19/2002 5:17:23 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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