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Law officers respect assault rifle's power AR-15: Serious threat in wrong hands (Georgi)
Online Athens ^ | 7/20/02 | By Stephen Gurr

Posted on 07/20/2002 4:54:02 AM PDT by CFW

Lt. David Kilpatrick of the Oconee County Sheriff's Office holds a .223-caliber AR-15 rifle seized last week in a drug raid in the county. The assault rifle, modeled on the military M-16, turns up more and more frequently as Northeast Georgia officers do battle with criminals. The magazine for an AR-15 holds 30 rounds of ammunition and the guns can fire them as fast as the trigger is pulled.

It's sleek, black and looks like something out of an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie.

It can fire off 30 rounds in about four seconds, spraying bullets that have the capability to burrow through bulletproof vests.

It's the Colt AR-15 assault rifle, and it keeps turning up in the hands of accused criminals.

Law enforcement officials are divided on the AR-15, which has turned up in major area crime scenes three times in the past three years -- most recently two weeks ago in an Oconee County drug bust. While protective of the Second Amendment and generally opposed to gun control, cops see how troublesome it is looking down the wrong end of an assault rifle barrel.

Madison County Sheriff Clayton Lowe knows firsthand the capability of the AR-15, the civilian version of the M-16 in use by the U.S. military since the Vietnam War. His deputies were on the hunt for a Hart County jail escapee in October 2000 when the suspect unloaded a 40-round clip in their direction. No one was hit, but they had second thoughts about trudging into the woods at night in search of a heavily armed escapee.

Kenneth Marty Glenn, 34, eventually surrendered and was convicted of aggravated assault on a police officer and sentenced to nine years in prison. Before running from lawmen, Glenn had dropped by his house to pick up his AR-15 and 250 rounds of ammunition.

''Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way in favor of gun control,'' said Lowe, who enjoys hunting. ''I believe if you give gun control people an inch they'll take you a mile. But it's no fun being outgunned by a bad guy, which is what happened in that situation.''

''Gun control people,'' as Lowe calls them, had something to say about the AR-15 and its exotic counterparts. In 1994, President Clinton signed into law the assault weapon ban that restricted such things as magazine capacity, muzzle flash suppressors (for nighttime firefights) and collapsible stocks that make the guns concealable. But those rules only applied to guns manufactured after the bill was enacted.

With enough money, anyone can get their hands on a ''pre-ban'' assault rifle with all the old bells and whistles.

Take the 1970s-era AR-15 seized by Oconee County investigators at the rural home of Tony Fortmann. Amid 500 marijuana plants, scores of stolen prescription pills and mushrooms, authorities found the gun and its 30-round magazine, along with a long-range rifle, they said.

Oconee County Sheriff's Lt. David Kilpatrick, who is a licensed firearms dealer, downplays the significance of finding an AR-15 at the scene, which was ringed with surveillance cameras and a secured fence. But Kilpatrick allows this: the .223-caliber round fired by the AR-15 is ''devastating,'' with a tumbling action that inflicts major damage to a target.

As for whether a bulletproof vest could stop a bullet fired from the AR-15, ''I wouldn't want to test it,'' Kilpatrick said. ''Because of (the .223's) piercing ability, I'd rather face a slug fired out of a shotgun at the same distance.''

Jackson County Sheriff Stan Evans said last year that a pursuit involving a gang of heavily armed bank robbers was ''almost a nightmare come true.''

Two of the three suspects who robbed the Jefferson Community Bank and Trust were armed with AR-15s that had been illegally modified for fully automatic fire. That meant instead of firing shots as fast as they could pull the trigger, they could unload an entire 40-round clip in a two-second burst.

''It could have ended up a massacre with what we were up against,'' Evans said of the November incident, which ended in a peaceful capture. ''We were certainly outgunned.''

Fewer law enforcement agencies are finding themselves outgunned these days, however. Oconee County officers have their own semiautomatic rifles in the trunks of their patrol units, and Lowe said he's beefed up his department's firepower since the run-in with Glenn.

But for some, it doesn't matter if crooks and cops are on an even playing field.

''We would like all future production of assault weapons outlawed,'' said Marty Langley, a policy analyst with the pro-gun control Violence Policy Center in Washington, D.C.

Langley said gun manufacturers ''have obeyed the letter of the (1994) law, but not the spirit.''

As an example, he cites Colt, which began production of the AR-15 Sporter to make up for its losses in the assault weapons ban.

''They just made some minor adjustments'' to the old AR-15 design, Langley said.

In Oconee County, it wasn't illegal for 25-year-old Ben James Garland to own the AR-15 on its own. But it became a felony when combined with the illegal drug activity alleged at the home, Kilpatrick said.

Likewise, Marty Glenn legally obtained the assault rifle he fired at Madison County sheriff's deputies.

Lowe doesn't think gun ownership rights should change, despite the risks officers face in running up against such firepower.

''Unless they're a convicted felon, I'm all for it,'' he said


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; ccw; firearm; firearms; gun; guncontrol; guns; rhodesia; rkba
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''Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way in favor of gun control,'' said Lowe, who enjoys hunting. ''I believe if you give gun control people an inch they'll take you a mile. But it's no fun being outgunned by a bad guy, which is what happened in that situation.''

A rural Georgia Sheriff's view on gun control. LOL

1 posted on 07/20/2002 4:54:02 AM PDT by CFW
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To: CFW
The worst thing about the AR-15 is they are so easy to conceal. That's what makes them so dangerous. < /sarcasm >
2 posted on 07/20/2002 4:58:40 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: CFW
Why do I get the feeling that parts of this article (like the Marty Langley - "weapons expert" - parts) would remain essentially the same if the doper's weapon of choice was the old M1 Carbine (or even the 10/22)?
3 posted on 07/20/2002 5:10:22 AM PDT by niteowl77
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To: CFW
Seems to be another anti-gun article written by some reporter who has absolutely no knowledge of weaponry. Let's see? 30 (number of 2-second bursts in a minute) times 40 (number of rounds in a "clip", or is that magazine?) equals a cyclic rate of 1200 rounds per minute. Not bad for a modified AR15. Mr. Gurr needs to get his head back in the open air.
4 posted on 07/20/2002 5:17:23 AM PDT by x1stcav
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To: AppyPappy
I personally would like all future production of liberals outlawed. But the manufacturers would just swap the mouth and the a-hole, take off the Birkenstocks and beads, and keep producing them as liberal 'sporters'. Of course, this would make preban liberals (with all the revolting parts) much more rare and valuable to collectors.
5 posted on 07/20/2002 5:21:52 AM PDT by Sender
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To: edskid
"It can fire off 30 rounds in about four seconds"

Now that's something I'd like to see on a semi-auto.

On the other hand, we get back to the old red herring..... The second ammendment is not to protect our hunting rights. It is to provide a means to protect our freedom and liberty from a corrupt and oppressive government a'la King George circa 1770. BTW - A computer and word processor in the wrong hands can cause far more damage than a AR-15. That can actually change law, create new taxes and restrict the freedom of the people or doom millions of fetus to death just for "being there."

6 posted on 07/20/2002 5:27:03 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: CFW
Hells bells he could have been firing a 30-06 Remington 700 and they would still have been outgunned in the dark and in the woods. Which is it a 30 round magazine or a 40 round magazine? And oh yeah, lets promote the idea of a semi-auto assault rifle one more time. The public didn't buy into the propaganda the first 100,000 times. They modified the sear and made it an automatic which is what the SWAT guys carry so they are evenly matched except the SWAT guys always outnumber the bad guys. What a bunch of dreck!
7 posted on 07/20/2002 5:27:39 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: CFW
spraying bullets that have the capability to burrow through bulletproof vests.

Clever little devils, those assault rifle bullets. They seem to have a mind of their own, burrowing around like that.

8 posted on 07/20/2002 5:28:32 AM PDT by FairWitness
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To: Movemout
>>the guns can fire them as fast as the trigger is pulled

Wow, the gun will fire as fas as the trigger is pulled...awesome. Not like all those rest of the guns that don't fire as fast as the trigger is pulled...
9 posted on 07/20/2002 5:29:35 AM PDT by freeper12
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To: CFW
Now why are they feeding propaganda to the citizens of Georgia???

Is there some legislation in the pipe or is this the Long Lie?

10 posted on 07/20/2002 5:30:28 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: CFW
I urge anybody to try to fire 30 rounds in 4 seconds from an AR-15. Particularly if it is bought with the standard 10 round magazine.

I didn't get far with this article - "sleek, black, mean-spirited, ugly, cop-killing, blah blah blah," gun. For cryin' out loud, most hunters consider the .223 a varment round.

11 posted on 07/20/2002 5:40:47 AM PDT by meyer
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""It can fire off 30 rounds in about four seconds"

Must be a new modification for the AR-15 and I thought only Arnold Schwarzenegger could do something like this. Though I would not want to test an AR-15 against a vest either, especially if the vest was around my chest.

12 posted on 07/20/2002 5:41:17 AM PDT by habaes corpussel
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To: Lazamataz
Now why are they feeding propaganda to the citizens of Georgia???

Is there some legislation in the pipe or is this the Long Lie?

I suspect that this is a teaser to see just how public reaction will be in Athens, GA. Atlanta turned limo-liberal years ago, but I'm not sure if Athens is a Red or Blue zone.

BTW, this article calls out for your picture of the perfect assault gun. :^)

13 posted on 07/20/2002 5:44:01 AM PDT by meyer
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To: CFW
sgurr@onlineathens.com
14 posted on 07/20/2002 5:44:47 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: habaes corpussel
They don't mention that just about any rifle bullet will go straight through a vest, including a .30-06 from an M-1 Garand.
15 posted on 07/20/2002 5:46:43 AM PDT by mvpel
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To: freeper12
I know, I know, this is just another example, in an unceasing and endless set of examples, of some one who has probably never fired a weapon in their entire worthless, bottom feeding life
16 posted on 07/20/2002 5:49:04 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: Lazamataz
It appears to me that the reporter couldn't get a "take away all the guns" quote from the two Sheriffs he interviewed, so he had to go find an out-of-town liberal to quote.

Madison and Oconee Counties are rural counties outside of Athens (which is Clarke County). Although Oconee is growing fast with the liberals taking over, Madison County remains very conservative.

17 posted on 07/20/2002 5:50:37 AM PDT by CFW
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To: CFW
Lt. David Kilpatrick of the Oconee County Sheriff's Office holds a .223-caliber AR-15 rifle seized last week in a drug raid in the county

And there is the REAL PROBLEM
The insane WAR ON DRUGS

More rights threatened by this stupidity
18 posted on 07/20/2002 5:54:49 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: CFW
The magazine for an AR-15 holds 30 rounds of ammunition

Unless you use 15 round magazine.

and the guns can fire them as fast as the trigger is pulled.

I may be wrong, but doesn't this describe all semi-autos?

It's sleek, black and looks like something out of an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie.

Arnold wouldn't even consider using such a wimpy weapon these days, except in a pinch. He favors those look-through-walls-lock-on-target-plasma-pulse-vaporize-everything-in-its-path rifles.

It can fire off 30 rounds in about four seconds, spraying bullets

And except for the very well trained, exactly one of which might hit the target.

that have the capability to burrow through bulletproof vests.

Burrow? Those weasely bullets!

It's the Colt AR-15 assault rifle, and it keeps turning up in the hands of accused criminals. Law enforcement officials are divided on the AR-15, which has turned up in major area crime scenes three times in the past three years -- most recently two weeks ago in an Oconee County drug bust.

Three times in three years? A veritable epidemic!

While protective of the Second Amendment and generally opposed to gun control, cops

Thank the Lord, for small favors!

see how troublesome it is looking down the wrong end of an assault rifle barrel.

As opposed to a shotgun, .30-30 lever action, or .38 special?

…a 40-round clip… 40-round clip in a two-second burst …

I just can't seem to find these 40 round clips anywhere. Custom made?

''We would like all future production of assault weapons outlawed,'' said Marty Langley, a policy analyst with the pro-gun control Violence Policy Center in Washington, D.C.

(Sheriff) Lowe doesn't think gun ownership rights should change, despite the risks officers face in running up against such firepower. ''Unless they're a convicted felon, I'm all for it,'' he said

Whose opinion carries more weight here? Wonk or lawman?

19 posted on 07/20/2002 5:58:56 AM PDT by RANDomScout
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To: Lazamataz
Regardless of how many rounds or the agenda behind this article it's basic premise is true. I live in N.E. Ga. and we're seeing a great increase in gangs with assault rifles. Many of the weapons are Chinese. Two kids were murdered just three weeks ago here by gang members with AR-15s during a drive-by. I didn't count the number of rounds, but I do know the house was cut to pieces. Our local LE is out gunned and under staffed.
20 posted on 07/20/2002 6:01:08 AM PDT by kcordell
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