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U.S. Studying Option of Arming Commercial Pilots
Reuters ^ | 7/23/02

Posted on 07/23/2002 10:32:36 AM PDT by kattracks

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta said on Tuesday that his new security chief was exploring options to arm pilots with guns two months after the agency said it would not permit them in the cockpit.

Mineta told a congressional hearing the Transportation Security Administration was now studying strategies for giving pilots lethal force, although he restated he was personally opposed to doing so.

While it was unclear if Mineta would propose such a policy, Congress is moving forward with legislation to arm more than 70,000 commercial pilots on a voluntary basis as a last line of defense against any hijacking attempts.

That legislation would require the Transportation Department to carry out the plan.

Mineta has favored stun guns -- weapons that emit an electrical charge to temporary disable an attacker -- over firearms but has not made a decision whether to give flight crews the option of non-lethal force.

United Airlines has purchased stun guns and has trained its pilots to use them. Stun-gun detractors say they are unreliable and impractical in the face of multiple attackers.

"It is under discussion in terms of should we take another approach," Mineta said of possibly approving a plan that would arm pilots with firearms.

"I have asked (TSA Administrator James Loy) to take a look at this to see whether or not there is some alternative even if it is lethal weapons," Mineta told the House of Representatives aviation subcommittee.

John Magaw, Loy's predecessor who was ousted from his job last week, told a Senate panel in May that the TSA would not permit firearms in the cockpit because of security and safety reasons.

Magaw had said other security steps, like stronger cockpit doors and undercover air marshals aboard aircraft, were sufficient to protect the plane and its passengers.

Mineta said that arming pilots under the program proposed in a bill passed by the House earlier this month could cost $850 million to establish and more than $250 million per year to carry out.

The Senate has yet to act on bills proposed in that chamber to arm pilots with guns.




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1 posted on 07/23/2002 10:32:36 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
What's to study? Some of them packed heat in the '60s and '70s, at least a retired airline Captain told me they did.
2 posted on 07/23/2002 10:36:26 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: kattracks
YES!!!!
3 posted on 07/23/2002 10:36:39 AM PDT by Dog
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To: kattracks
it's ABOUT TIME! and they ought to allow every LEO in the nation to go armed EVERYWHERE!
4 posted on 07/23/2002 10:37:02 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: kattracks
Ah HA!

I suspected something along these lines when Magaw left suddenly...

5 posted on 07/23/2002 10:37:19 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts
Yep.....someone told Mineta to get on the same page..
6 posted on 07/23/2002 10:38:54 AM PDT by Dog
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To: Fred Mertz
this is FACT!
7 posted on 07/23/2002 10:39:21 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: kattracks
Well how about that. The antigun weenie John Magaw 'resigns', and all of a sudden guns in the cockpit are an option again.
8 posted on 07/23/2002 10:40:15 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: B Knotts
Magaw is a disgrace to his post. Thank G-d his sorry dimpled ass was shown the door.
9 posted on 07/23/2002 10:40:55 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: kattracks
As our friend Nike says, just do it! If Congress didn't drag its feet so much maybe it would cost less.
10 posted on 07/23/2002 10:41:12 AM PDT by Lady Jag
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To: kattracks
I can't wait to see this one....
11 posted on 07/23/2002 10:41:53 AM PDT by habaes corpussel
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To: kattracks
It is much cheaper to arm pilots than bailout bankrupt airlines.

Creating safer skies without further inconveniencing passengers will instantly raise confidence and ticket sales.

SAVE THE AIRLINES, ARM PILOTS NOW!


12 posted on 07/23/2002 10:42:23 AM PDT by Enduring Freedom
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To: stand watie
it's ABOUT TIME! and they ought to allow every LEO in the nation to go armed EVERYWHERE!

How about nationwide CCW reciprocity, so that trusted citizens (not just cops) can carry everywhere? We have reciprocity for auto licenses, so why not CCW's?

13 posted on 07/23/2002 10:43:56 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: Enduring Freedom
It's much cheaper to arm pilots then to shoot down an aircraft the next time one is hijacked..
14 posted on 07/23/2002 10:44:04 AM PDT by Dog
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To: kattracks
Armed pilots? But the pilot needs to keep 100% of his attention on flying the plane, especially in a high stress situation as when an Arab is slitting his throat or an F-16 is blowing off one of his engines with a Sidewinder. < /sarcasm>
15 posted on 07/23/2002 10:51:43 AM PDT by KarlInOhio
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To: kattracks
could cost $850 million to establish and more than $250 million per year to carry out

Why would it cost a penny??

Seems to me that the insurance industry would jump at the chance to save their $50 million insured plane, and the hundreds of millions in death benefits.

16 posted on 07/23/2002 10:51:58 AM PDT by aShepard
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To: aShepard
Oh, and BTW, 850 million divided among 70,000 pilots is $12,150 per polit. That's some pretty serious heat!
17 posted on 07/23/2002 10:54:03 AM PDT by aShepard
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To: stand watie
t's ABOUT TIME! and they ought to allow every LEO ADULT in the nation to go armed EVERYWHERE!
18 posted on 07/23/2002 11:00:08 AM PDT by Mr_Magoo
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To: Enduring Freedom; Dog; aShepard
Since 1970 it might have cost the major airlines a billion dollars to arm their pilots for the last thirty-two years and prevented the 9-11 terrorist attacks and several dozen more hijackings since 1970. Arming pilots is low cost insurance. How much money have the airlines lost just since 9-11?

Oh, that's right, the government gave about a billion dollars of taxpayers' money to the airlines because the airlines -- in "bed" with the government -- didn't arm their pilots and thus shot themselves in the foot -- so to speak.

Which airline would you fly: the airline that advertises its pilots are armed or the airline that doesn't arm their pilots? Oh, that's right, government regulation prohibits an airline from advertising its safety records... fewest crashes per 1,000,000 flights, fewest hijackings -- you get the idea.

Imagine that after 9-11 an airline, say for example, South West airline was to advertise that they have always armed all their pilots. They'd deserve the sudden increase in customers that United and American airlines didn't consider worth protecting.

Insurance companies would be justified in raising their airline premiums if pilots aren't armed. If the pilots aren't armed the airline is neglecting to protect the passengers -- its customers -- the lifeblood of the business.

That's how a private airline market should operate free of government intervention. Politicians and bureaucrats aren't the smartest people in the world and they do know how to create an endless torrent of new laws and regulations each year. Many implemented in the airline and aircraft industries. They, parasitical politicians and self-serving bureaucrats don't solve problems--they create problems that need not exist.

19 posted on 07/23/2002 11:02:36 AM PDT by Zon
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To: Lazamataz
He he heeeeee...
20 posted on 07/23/2002 11:34:49 AM PDT by Southack
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