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To: Tuco-bad; ConCon
Tuco-bad The next clip of Von Essen you see him walking uptown, about 20 feet behind Mayor Rudy Giuliani, again looking completely lost.

Probably trying to monitor the radio traffic so he knows what's going on (in case the mayor asks).. it gets a little intense when ten people are screaming on the channel at the same time. I sometimes stumble around myself when I'm trying to concentrate on a radio in an emergency.

Tuco-bad Von Essen failed everybody, especially his own fire dept. by allowing firefighters to go up the towers, also for ordering the locking of doors to access to the roofs of the WTC.

What else are ya gonna do when you need manpower upstairs? And why would you want people on the roof, with fire burning toward them, with no way to rescue them there, instead of finding an intact staircase and sending them down the stairs?

ConCon I've been waiting for someone to ask just what all those NYFD guys really accomplished at the WTC. Brave, yes. Useful? Uncertain.

They delivered apparatus and manpower to the scene... They safely evacuated thousands of people, took hydrants, charged standpipes, protected exposures, conducted SAR operations and brought situational awareness to the brass hanging out in the radio room. The loss of life would have been much higher if they hadn't stepped up to the challenge of the situation. They did their best. They didn't give up.

6 posted on 07/24/2002 7:43:16 AM PDT by TechJunkYard
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To: TechJunkYard
What else are ya gonna do when you need manpower upstairs? And why would you want people on the roof, with fire burning toward them, with no way to rescue them there, instead of finding an intact staircase and sending them down the stairs?

You don't know what you're posting about.

As I said, Von Essen looked "lost" in the lobby of the WTC, just walking around, not taking command, the same when walking with the mayor, Von Essen was not "monitoring" radio traffic, just walking again looking more "lost" than earlier. (all shown in the movie made 911.)

As for the WTC roof doors being locked, the roofs were suppossed to be a safety exit for escape, but the doors were locked in a jurisdictional dispute between the police who had helicopters for resuce and the fire department high officials.

7 posted on 07/24/2002 8:07:59 AM PDT by Tuco-bad
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