Tolerating Intolerance: The Challenge of Fundamentalist Islam in Western Europe

Partisan Reviews ^ | 24 jul 02 | Bruce Bawer

[aculeus]

BTTT.

[Travis McGee]

You are totally correct, but it will not happen until we have more 9-11 level events....or worse.

Remember, Mohammed Atta was just a "typical moderate Muslim" to all appearances until he got on the jet.

How many other Islamic time bombs are ticking among us?

[Travis McGee]

I think some varitation of that is very likely. When the Islamikazis finally manage to destroy some major cultural artifacts (as they attempted to do to Notre Dame etc.) that may be the breaking point for millions of Euros.

At the same time of mass deportations of Muslims from the West, there will be a total massacre of unlucky Westerners trapped in Muslim lands.

After that, there will be a rigid partition, a quarantine, with no travel between the West and Islamic lands. Since we can never tell the Attas from the "moderate" Muslims they will ALL have to be kept out.

This "quarantine" will hurt but not destroy the Western economies, but it will prove fatal for the Muslim world, where without Western food and tech help they will starve and die by the millions.

[Travis McGee]

bttt

[ZeitgeistSurfer]

Right now, Europe is almost totally dependent on Arab/Muslim oil. One of the factors that will push your scenario into happening (besides the actual destructive act or acts you mention) will be when Russian oil starts to make a real impact in Europe.

[Travis McGee]

Multiculturalism and uncontrolled third world immigration are ploys being undertaken by our leftist elites to de-culturalize and homogenize western man. Thus homogenized, we will be without those cultural supports that keep us from living without the all-powerful nanny state.

YES! That should be pounded into every Western numbskull's brain before it is too late!

[Travis McGee]

I think that not only will Europe be able to subsitute Russian oil, there will be some Islamic countries which will make a side deal: Libya comes to mind.

But the loss of Saudi and Gulf oil will result in an economic shock to the West, no doubt. But the shock will not be fatal for Europe, as it will be for the Muslim world, which will fall to ruin and starvation without its parasitic attachment to the West.

(Unless they figure out how to turn oil into food and clean water and medicine without trading it for Western currency first.)

[aristeides]

Europe and Japan do depend on Middle Eastern oil. However, they can assure themselves of access to it by establishing imperial control over the countries with the oil, as they did before we forced them out. Part of our reason for forcing them out was that, if we controlled the oil, we thereby controlled Europe and Japan. If we can no longer control those Middle Eastern countries, do we have any reason any longer for preventing the Europeans and Japanese from reestablishing imperialism?

[yendu bwam]

"...a movement will arise out of europe"

Especially when Europeans start to remember who they are.

[aristeides]

Reaction?

[Travis McGee]

Ping to #63. Any other prognostications? I'd like to hear your thumnails of how the next decade is going to evolve.

(Of course, "evolution" might not describe what is going to happen after we invade Iraq and / or suffer a WMD attack in the USA.)

[yendu bwam]

But the shock will not be fatal for Europe, as it will be for the Muslim world, which will fall to ruin and starvation without its parasitic attachment to the West.

Though we in the West are heavily dependent on foreign oil, your are right that the Arabs need us much more than we need them.

[aristeides]

Europe as a whole may not need the Moslems, but the socialist politicians do, to keep their welfare state programs going. Without the welfare state programs, the socialists lose all power.

[FreedomPoster]

#63 + some variation of #68, with perhaps the U.S. acting in the Imperial mode, rather than Europe or Japan. If the U.S. scenario comes to pass, it will be the beginning of the final chapter of the end of Republic.

Also - will the Chinese remain quiet through all of this? I doubt it, but then again, their leaders are pretty busy riding their own tiger.

[Travis McGee]

I agree we might see some of that, but not without WAR. BIG WAR.

[Travis McGee]

I can see an outcome involving the US taking the Saudi oil fields, Japan and China carving up Indonesia and Malaysia, Europe taking Libya.

But how this all happens without a global war, that I can't see. It might be as bad or worse than 1929-45.

[Phillip Augustus]

Very, very good point. This was one of America's greatest shames in its history.

[Phillip Augustus]

The horse is not dead until America and NATO are out of the Balkans and the KLA is out of the Kosovo region of Serbia.

[Phillip Augustus]

Things do have a back-firing, don't they?

[Phillip Augustus]

...and who their ancestors were, those who for all practical purposes conquered the world...