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Enemy 'civilian casualties' ok by me
TownHall.com ^ | 7/25/02 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 07/24/2002 9:07:13 PM PDT by kattracks

I am getting really sick of people who whine about "civilian casualties." Maybe I'm a hard-hearted guy, but when I see in the newspapers that civilians in Afghanistan or the West Bank were killed by American or Israeli troops, I don't really care. In fact, I would rather that the good guys use the Air Force to kill the bad guys, even if that means some civilians get killed along the way. One American soldier is worth far more than an Afghan civilian.

For the past decade, the United States and Israel have been attempting to prove their moral superiority by attempting to minimize civilian casualties. That's all well and good. Unfortunately, this policy also means that politicians put our soldiers in harm's way in order to save "non-combatants."

The New York Times reported on July 21 that "Flaws in U.S. Air War Left Hundreds of Civilians Dead" in Afghanistan. In its own, unique "objective" style, the Times noted: "the American air campaign in Afghanistan, based on a high-tech, out-of-harm's-way strategy, has produced a pattern of mistakes that have killed hundreds of Afghan civilians."

The New York Times and other news services call both Afghan "non-combatants" and American "non-combatants" civilians. This is disingenuous. American civilians are people who go about their daily lives without providing cover for terrorists or giving them money. Afghan civilians are not.

Take, for example, the "wedding party" in Afghanistan that made front-page news after being strafed by American warplanes. The American pilots claimed that they came under fire from the wedding party. The Afghan interim government claimed that 48 civilians were killed in the attack and that the Americans had never come under fire. Perhaps, they suggested, the pilots were confused by Afghans firing their guns in the air in celebration.

Whom do you believe? The American pilots, who say they were fired upon and respected the rules of engagement? Or the Afghan "civilians," who claim that American pilots were bored and decided to have target practice with women, children and goats?

I believe the Americans. The Afghans tolerated and supported the Taliban for years, no matter what President Bush says. A group doesn't conquer 95 percent of a country unless it has some support among the populace. The Afghans are fundamentalist Muslims. They didn't seem to mind too much that their women were treated like dogs or that the Taliban enforced Shariah (Muslim law). So frankly, it doesn't matter to me if some of their "civilians" get killed for involvement with the enemy.

I'm glad the U.S. military decided to use a massive air campaign rather than going in full force with ground troops. The fewer dead American soldiers, the better. I only wish Israel were as smart in prosecuting its own war on terrorism.

The Israeli government is so afraid of world condemnation that it put its soldiers in the line of fire to gain some eternally-sought-but-never-found international praise. After the Passover Massacre, Ariel Sharon sent ground troops into Jenin to search house to house for Palestinian terrorists in order to bring them to justice. Bad move. Twenty-three Israeli boys, the proportional equivalent of 1,000 Americans, were killed in a vain attempt to prevent Palestinian casualties.

What a joke. In order to save the lives of Palestinians who gladly support the murder of Israeli soldiers and civilians, the Israeli Defense Force put its soldiers in house-to-house urban warfare. If only Israel had acted as decisively as America did in Kabul, it would have gone in with F-16s and leveled Jenin. Civilian casualties? So be it. That might have struck a note of fear into the Palestinians -- putting in ground troops sure doesn't.

Some people might cry out at this "callousness." They might say that Al-Qaeda thinks the same thing about American civilians. This is a twisted argument. There is a difference between casualties from collateral damage and casualties from deliberate slaughter.

The New York Times and others like it undermine the war effort for the sake of the few. In the end, this is a war to save humanity from the barbarity of fundamentalist Islam. It is inevitable for enemy civilians to be killed in war.

There is a Jewish proverb from Pirkei Avot (The Ethics of the Fathers): He who is kind to the cruel is cruel to the kind. By that same token, he who would risk American or Israeli lives to save enemy civilians is cruel to the kind.

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1 posted on 07/24/2002 9:07:13 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
"When I see in the newspapers that civilians in Afghanistan or the West Bank were killed by American or Israeli troops, I don't really care. In fact, I would rather that the good guys use the Air Force to kill the bad guys, even if that means some civilians get killed along the way. One American soldier is worth far more than an Afghan civilian."

I'm in complete agreement.

As cold as it may sound....my first thought upon hearing that Palestinian children had been killed in the recent Israeli action was "Well, at least they wont get a chance to blow themselves up and kill Israeli children".

Coldhearted? Someone else can determine that.......a sane thought? You betcha.

2 posted on 07/24/2002 9:15:59 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: VaBthang4
Please add me to the list of those who agree. If you are a terrorist and choose to hide among civilians then the 'civilians' are choosing to be the support troops of the terrorist and are no longer 'civilians' . The pain on the enemy, all segments, must become great enough that the enemy is defeated on the front line and at home. That pain has not yet been inflicted. The only alternative is to turn it over to the U.N. completely. The result of that will be persecution of any independent or western thinkers ( the mess in the middle east was actually started by the U.N. and its predecessor body, whether by formal signatory or not) and ultimate world socialist slavery lorded over by U.N. type folks resembling Mugabe.
3 posted on 07/24/2002 9:26:22 PM PDT by chemainus
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To: chemainus
They're OK by me too. American and Israeli Leftists prefer American and Israeli soldiers to die so they maintain a sense of moral hateur. F**k em.
4 posted on 07/24/2002 9:28:28 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: kattracks
The more sand goblins killed the fewer Jews killed. Does somebody have a problem with this??? Kill ALL of the sand goblins and have done with it. How sweet it is that the ONLY people supporting the Jews in Israel are those of us whom the NYT would characterize as charismatic, gun toting Christians. The first time that Bibi calls me up and says, come on over, I need you, I'm there.
5 posted on 07/24/2002 9:28:49 PM PDT by Bedford Forrest
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To: chemainus
include me too! ;)
6 posted on 07/24/2002 9:31:36 PM PDT by christine
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To: All
HAMAS KILLS ITS OWN
7 posted on 07/24/2002 9:32:29 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: goldstategop; kattracks
a friend of mine says and i quote, kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out, unquote.
8 posted on 07/24/2002 9:36:32 PM PDT by christine
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To: kattracks
I am getting really sick of people who whine about "civilian casualties."

Ah. Then kindly tell the anti-WOD whiners to shut up.

9 posted on 07/24/2002 9:36:51 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: kattracks
I'm hoping that the Presidents condemnation of the missle attack in the Gaza Strip is not an indication of how he intends to fight the war on Iraq, if it ever happens.

Saddam learned a thing or two during Desert Storm, he will surround his elite forces with civilians and the fighting could be urban warfare, house to house. I'm all for using limited nuclear arms if they can target a block, two blocks, a square mile.

This will call for civilian casualties, and somebody, somewhere better have the stomach for it. I find civilian casualties much easier to take than one of our soldiers in a body bag. Our boys are far more valuable than 1,000 enemy combatants and the civilians they surround themselves with.

10 posted on 07/24/2002 9:47:09 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: kattracks
Muslim children are nothing more than future terrorists.
Muslim women are nothing more than breeders of terrorists.
Muslim elderly are nothing more than former terrorists.

I really couldn't care less about these people and would not lose a wink of sleep at their violent deaths. I hate the whole lot of 'em.

11 posted on 07/24/2002 9:52:52 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: kattracks
Both America and Israel are powerful. That kind of power is being used to minimize non-combatant casualties. Even combatant casualties are being minimized. These are wars, but there are degrees of war. The military does only what is necessary and when this is over the injuries to non-combatants will be seen -- by most -- as not excessive, tragic but not unnecessary.
12 posted on 07/24/2002 10:05:44 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: kattracks
The idea the civilian casualties are not something to cheer about is an American ideal.Don't cry over it, but cheering for it is morally corrupt. It is one step away from trying to achieve victory at any cost. That's the reality of war, but making it one of the goals of war puts the combatant on the same low level as the enemy. Only America will ever hold the moral high ground. Can't expect other nations to do the same.
13 posted on 07/24/2002 10:08:27 PM PDT by gaffin
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To: Free the USA
fyi
14 posted on 07/24/2002 10:17:12 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: kattracks
The Israeli government is so afraid of world condemnation that it put its soldiers in the line of fire to gain some eternally-sought-but-never-found international praise. After the Passover Massacre, Ariel Sharon sent ground troops into Jenin to search house to house for Palestinian terrorists in order to bring them to justice. Bad move. Twenty-three Israeli boys, the proportional equivalent of 1,000 Americans, were killed in a vain attempt to prevent Palestinian casualties.

That is what I do not understand. If President Bush was in charge, he would drop daisy cutters on Jenin. C'mon, 23 soldiers had to die just so civilians had to live?

War is hell. Unleash hell.

15 posted on 07/24/2002 10:21:27 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Drew68
I think everyone need to look back at Sept. 11 and remember what they saw on TV when they showed what was happening in the middle east. Those children, women and eldery were cheering, they were partying in the streets. There are NO innocent civilains over there.

Your words ring so true. I wish more people realized it.
16 posted on 07/24/2002 10:51:02 PM PDT by kancel
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To: kancel
"I think everyone need to look back at Sept. 11 and remember what they saw on TV when they showed what was happening in the middle east. Those children, women and eldery were cheering, they were partying in the streets."

And the only thought running through my mind when I saw that was, what perfect place to drop a napalm bomb! We even send money to these blood suckers!

Screw em!

17 posted on 07/24/2002 11:04:25 PM PDT by blackbart.223
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To: Drew68
"Muslim children are nothing more than future terrorists. Muslim women are nothing more than breeders of terrorists. Muslim elderly are nothing more than former terrorists."

That is one of the most asinine statements I have ever read.

....and part of the problem.

18 posted on 07/24/2002 11:10:45 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: kattracks
Shapiro tries to draw some corrolation between the bombing of the "wedding party" and the Israeli bomb being dropped in Gaza. The bombing of the "wedding party" was in response to what the American pilots, right or wrong,thought was anti-aircraft fire. The Israelis can not make the same claim.Why is it nessaccary to make a comparision of what the Israelis do to action that the Americans have taken? This article is about justifying an action that Israelis took that they are getting flack about. And did the US "level" Kabul as Shapiro would like to do to Jenin?
19 posted on 07/24/2002 11:23:12 PM PDT by gaffin
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To: kattracks
Me too. They're all jihadist anyway.
20 posted on 07/24/2002 11:38:12 PM PDT by weikel
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