[jim35]

You're missing the whole point, that being, the morality is assualted when the lawer his client is guilty, and uses subvversion to gain his/her freedom. The idea is, this isn't justice, it's a perversion of justice.

[Stone Mountain]

You're missing the whole point, that being, the morality is assualted when the lawer his client is guilty, and uses subvversion to gain his/her freedom. The idea is, this isn't justice, it's a perversion of justice.

This is begging the question. One is innocent until proved guilty. If the system is not able to prove someone is guilty, then he is innocent.

I guess it depends on what you mean by "subversion." In an adversarial system, any lawyer who doesn't use all of the tools at his disposal to defend his client is guilty of malpractice. If a lawyer sees a legal way to advocate for his client, he MUST do so.

[Tokhtamish]

You're missing the whole point, that being, the morality is assualted when the lawer his client is guilty, and uses subvversion to gain his/her freedom. The idea is, this isn't justice, it's a perversion of justice.

You are asking human beings to dispense God's justice. Human beings are not omniscient. Human beings can only weigh evidence. Without assumption of innocence, without lawyer/client confidentiality (which, of course, your assumption completely destroys), without an adversarial system, without the guiding principle that we must do as much as we can to insure that the innocent are not railroaded, we would create an even worse "system". Reilly is just posturing and grandstanding.

[RogerFGay]

I'm going to fight hard against anyone who claims that the application of basic individual rights in the Constitution is a perversion of justice. The 5th explains clearly that there is a right not to incriminate oneself. A person has a right to an attorney. But some of you are claiming that the right to an attorney voids the 5th amendment. Next you'll be saying that attorney's should question their clients regularly to discover any and every little flaw in their lives and report them immediately to authorities. As I mentioned previously, there are countries where individual rights do not exist. If you are strongly opposed to individual rights -- you can have what you want. Just go live in one of them.