Posted on 07/25/2002 11:35:25 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
Comments, my FRiends?!
FReegards...MUD
Never forget that, while Bubba pulled the trigger, it was Poppy who first pressed the gun against the temples of the Davidians.
Nope. The Branch Davidian raid took place in late February, 1993, AFTER Clinton took office.
"The BATF had investigated David Koresh in the summer of 1992. The BATF investigation began about a month after an Australian tabloid television program produced a story about Koresh. Having lain moribund since the summer, the BATF investigation perked up in mid-November. By early December, the BATF was planning the raid on a seventy-seven acre property outside Waco, the Mount Carmel Center, which the Branch Davidians called their communal home."
Poppy's watch.
I could sit here and read all the posts from my great Freeper friends and get fired up about the possible conviction and sentencing of Slick Willie and his Witch.
I could sit here and revel in the idea of seeing that bast**d castrated with a pair of finger nail clippers.
BUT....it ain't gonna happen!
Read this thread and you will see the reason why:
There is no common point of attack!
Everyone wants to convict him of everything from drug running in Mena, Arkansas to the WTC attack!
There seems to be the idea that there is a loose thread here somewhere that will make this all come undone and reveal him in all his pigstye glory.
Do you all think that with all the power he had at his disposal and all the vile schemes we know he participated in and was not caught, that he wouldn't have covered his tracks?
There is no common thread, and there is no hard evidence to link him to any of those crimes!
What you would have George W. do is engage this country in an investigation that would make Watergate look like an Easter Egg hunt at a time when we are already engaged in a foreign conflict with terrorists that is certainly going to spread all over the globe, and at a time when we must concentrate all our efforts into returning this man to office.
This is analogous to a man sitting at a traffic light while another man runs the red light.
He thinks, "No one is above the law", and he pulls in front of the guy.
Later in the hospital with a broken back and a ten thousand dollar hospital bill, he can comfort himself by saying, "No one is above the law!"
Okay, freeper friends, show me where I'm wrong.
I don't burn easy, let 'er rip!
RE-IMPEACH. CONVICT. DETHRONE.
DISBAR. DE-PENSION. DE-LEGITIMIZE.
INDICT. CONVICT. IMPRISON. DISCARD KEY.
Why not?!
"Read this thread and you will see the reason why: There is no common point of attack!"
That, my FRiend, is why Clinton's Comeuppance is so INEVITABLE!!!
"Everyone wants to convict him of everything from drug running in Mena, Arkansas to the WTC attack! There seems to be the idea that there is a loose thread here somewhere that will make this all come undone and reveal him in all his pigstye glory."
Nope, COB1...there's no silver bullet out there fer Der SchleekMeister and his CorruptCadreofCowardlyCoConspirators, just a relentless barrage of Truth exposing his Traitorous and Tyrannical Reign!!
"Do you all think that with all the power he had at his disposal and all the vile schemes we know he participated in and was not caught, that he wouldn't have covered his tracks?"
LOL...you can't Arkan-cide enuff potential witnesses fer the State to cover all yer tracks before folks start gettin' suspicious.
"There is no common thread, and there is no hard evidence to link him to any of those crimes!"
LOL...tell me yer jokin', my FRiend!! Hard evidence abounds that Bill Clinton is GUILTY beyond a reasonable doubt for scores of felonies...and he shall be held accountable!!
"What you would have George W. do is engage this country in an investigation that would make Watergate look like an Easter Egg hunt at a time when we are already engaged in a foreign conflict with terrorists that is certainly going to spread all over the globe, and at a time when we must concentrate all our efforts into returning this man to office."
No foreign terrorist--or group of terrorists--has done more damage to this great nation than William Jefferson Blythe Clinton!! If you don't agree with that, I doubt yer sincerety on this entire argument, my FRiend.
"This is analogous to a man sitting at a traffic light while another man runs the red light. He thinks, "No one is above the law", and he pulls in front of the guy. Later in the hospital with a broken back and a ten thousand dollar hospital bill, he can comfort himself by saying, "No one is above the law!""
Actually, no COB1, there is no validity to yer analogy whasoever, IMHO...MUD
I NEVER understood that...if there were Middle-Eastern Terrorists helping McVeigh out, why didn't he feel betrayed as a patriot?! Are we sure Tim McV wasn't a closet Lib'ral?
"Wouldn't suprise me to see Nichols start telling what he knows before he is tried here in State Court."
If Nichols dies between now and then, you heard it here first...MUD
BTW...El Rushbo es EN FUEGO!!!
Now......do you think I'm sincere?
I've always known yer sincere, my FRiend...my point was only that this Nation needs to Rout the Evil that BeDevils US, be that Evil Foreign or Domestic. Lib'ralism is a Disease that needs to be eradicated in America, and it shall be over time. Still, in October yer welcome to stand up for whatever Justice or Liberty you see as attainable, and we will be allies fighting the good fight.
FReegards...MUD
Poppy incinerated 80 innocent American Men, Women, and (over 20) Children?!! I don't believe so...that was all Der SchleekMeister's Doin', with an assist going to the HildaBeast who demanded his wussified hubby "Do Something!!" as the lowly Christians were making his Administration look WEAK and INEFFECTUAL!!
MUD
...just as the 1st ever prestigious CBS/New York Times Poll came out on TV saying that for the 1st time it DISAPPROVED of the way the CLINTON Admistration was handling a situation ..WACO.. and...
...that the American People were sick and tired of hearing about the long WACO Stand-Off on their TV's and Radios and...
...that they wanted it ENDED =
HILLARY in ACTION.
From another thread, a discussion about whether or not America should hold Bill Clinton accountable for the multiple felonies he and his Administration have committed...
bayourod in bold
"...focus only on the question of whether Bill Clinton should be brought to trial. This was the great question when Nixon resigned and Ford pardoned him because he didn't think the nation should be put through the ordeal of a trial of Mr. Nixon."
First off, Nixon was never accused of committing a criminal offense vis a vis Watergate. Ford pardoned him, but there was never an actual law broken...I would argue that Clinton has committed multiple felonies that, if prosecuted, would have him in jail until the day he passed on to his Final Judgement.
"Some of the considerations should be:
1. How serious was the offense? Was it a technical violation such as comingling union contributions in hard money accounts; or was it a universally recognized crime such as murder of a potential witness?"
While I seriously believe Clinton has most likely conspired to have folks murdered, I've yet to see the concrete evidence; still, just because he's an ex-POTUS, should he be allowed to get away with rampant Abuse of Power, blatant Obstruction of Justice and Perjury, and making a mockery of our existing Campaign Finance Laws? I say no.
"2. What was the impact of the crime on the nation? Was the impact negligible like pardoning someone for going AWOL during World War II; or does the crime threaten the very existence of the country, such as selling China the secrets enabling them to destroy every major city in the nation?"
As the highest-ranking member of the Executive Branch, IMHO Clinton's crimes have done major damage to the legitimacy of our government, and thereby the "very existence of the country." How can a blatant abuser of our laws be allowed to go absolutely unpunished in a Land that claims that NO MAN IS ABOVE THE LAW?! Explain that to the teenager imprisoned for smoking a weed in his basement.
"3. How strong is the evidence? Is it circumstantial, relying on the testimony of dubious witnesses; or is there incontrovertable physical evidence such as video recordings and records written in Bill's hand?"
The arrogance Clinton has displayed in committing multiple felonies has resulted in a carelessness that will bear fruit in any SERIOUS investigation of his crimes. There are many, many people within his sphere of influence who know where the skeletons are buried, and they have likewise committed crimes in his service. As these underlings are brought to Justice and plead out, they will provide valuable testimony linking Clinton to any number of crimes that you and I may never even been aware of. And Clinton has been extremely sloppy in leaving documented proof of his guilt to be readily discovered by hungry investigators.
"4. Was the offense committed as an official act, such as selling seats on trade missions, or was it entirely separate from official duties, such as rape?"
SHEEESH, my FRiend, I cannot believe you actually believe this is a consideration. We are a Nation of Laws, and if those laws are legitimate enough to prosecute you or me for, why not some hayseed from Arkansas?
"5. Would prosecution cause bitter division among Americans because the offense is one that people hold strongly held opposite opinions on, such as lying about having sex because that's what gentlemen are taught to do; or one that everyone is in agreement on, such as using FBI files to blackmail elected officials?"
Once again, if folks are going to argue that the Laws are invalid, how come we don't see an uprising calling for said laws to be revoked, so that you and I cannot be held accountable for them, just like the ex-Most Powerful Man in the FReeWorld?!
"6. How would prosecution effect future policy. Would it create a public outcry for campaign finance reform that would result in destruction of our First Amendment rights and turn the government over to liberal Democrats? Would it appear to Democrat voters as petty vindictiveness on the part of Republicans that would result in such a backlash that Democrat Senators would be forced to reject confirmation of pro-life judges?"
Here, my FRiend, you are arguing political strategy. Fair enough, as that seems to be most FReepers' argument against holding the ex-First Felon accountable for his many crimes against this Nation. My response is that this is a very important time in our Country's history, as we are deciding whether or not We the Sheeple will sit idly by and allow Rampant Corruption to go on at the highest echelons of the Federal Guv'ment, and do absolutely NOTHING!!
SHEEESH...Clinton's not a frickin' KING...he's no different than you or I!! Are LeftWing DemocRATS going to actually argue that a corrupt ex-POTUS should be allowed to get away with committing multiple felonies? If so, are the Sheeple going to go along meekly and support those same hopelessly-corrupt individuals in the next election? If so, we've already lost this Country, and we should readily expect to go the way of the once-great Roman Empire.
"Now to answer your question. I believe we elected a President who is of extremely high moral character who loves this country and is trying as hard as he can to do what he sincerely believes is best for our nation. I believe that he chose an honest, conscientious, competent Attorney General. I have complete confidence in their judgment and will support whatever decisions that they make."
Here, my FRiend, we are in complete agreement...however, I believe Dubyuh and Ashcroft need to hear from folks who "sincerely believe [what] is best for our nation" is that the Guilty--no matter how Powerful or allegedly popular--are brought to Justice!! Are we a Nation of Laws? Or are certain folks in this Country ABOVE the Laws that govern and restrict the rest of us?
As for J.W., whatever...you may question their motivation as you see fit, but at least they seem to be trying to do something about the Injustice that is the Clinton Administration. That's more than I seem to be seeing from the Department of Justice these days.
Seriously, my fellow FReepers, am I just a Right-Wing Whacko for expecting the Laws of this Nation to apply to ALL Americans...even those who once held office at the highest echelons of our Federal Guv'ment?!
FReegards...MUD
1 Posted on 07/14/2001 23:39:12 PDT by Mudboy Slim (Justice Fer All!!)
No, but it was under Poppy that the planning for the raid began - in the summer of '92, when Bush was still president. You can't get away from it. Face it. Poppy was content to let Randy Wearver hang out to dry. He was content to sign the ban on the import of "assault" rifles. He was content to let the atf frame Koresh on bogus gun charges. Poppy didn't reign in the atf even after their obvious malfeasance in the Wearver case. His raisin testicled failure to correct the imcompetence of his charges is the exact same thing as giving them his consent to continue in that same path. The horror of Waco starts at Poppy's desk.
RINO Bush, Sr. was no friend of Liberty.
"HILLARY in ACTION."
80 lives snuffed out in an instant...Intimidation Accomplished!!
Evil's the only word that applies, Evil and Tyrannical...MUD
Well, OK...the Waco case arose on the radar during Bush, Sr.'s Administration, but the "Horror" didn't start until Reno's Pimp, Slick Willie ordered the tanks to incinerate scores of innocent Christians to get one guy they wanted to interrogate!!
"RINO Bush, Sr. was no friend of Liberty."
No argument here...MUD
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