POLL SAYS US ABORTION STATUS QUO REPRESENTS ONLY 25% OF AMERICANS

EWTNews Brief ^ | 26-Jul-2002

[waterstraat]

Women have committed 35 million murders in the past 35 years(so much for sugar and spice). What to do? Do we give the death penalty to 35 million women? Do we give a "life sentence" to 35 million murdering women, costing trillions of dollars to house them in hundreds of thousands of new prisons? It is impossible to punish the murderers in a just way.

[Theodore R.]

Let's assume this 25 percent figure is correct. If so, how in the world does this 25 percent prevail in keeping abortion on demand entrenched in the United States? Isn't it also true that more women oppose abortion than do men, but nearly all the women in Congress are abortion boosters.

[GraniteStateConservative]

Careful here. Even the democrats and the NOW gang agree with that statement as posed. Of course, they include "mental health" defined in such a way as to include even mild anxiety over having a child.

Actually the reason Jews are pro-choice is because of the concern for quality of life which includes mental anguish and depression. It's not just Democrats and NOW folks. It's a philosophical point of view of weighing two interests.

[MissMillie]

"Gallup's polling consistently reveals that from 51 percent to 54 percent of Americans believe abortion should be "legal only under certain circumstances" -- while just 25 percent to 27 percent says it should be "legal under any circumstances" and 18 percent to 22 percent that it should be "illegal in all circumstances." Furthermore, these breakdowns in opinion have largely prevailed since the 1970s.

What that means is that status-quo abortion on demand does not reflect the beliefs of 75 percent of Americans,...."

This is technically incorrect. The status-quo, or current rule of law on abortions, is not that abortion is legal under all circumstances. Roe v. Wade clearly recognizes a state's right to protect the potentiality of life after the 2nd trimester.

[narses]

That is correct only de jure, de facto babies even beyond birth can be killed without secular sanction. That is why Congress just passed the "Born Alive Protection Act".

[DugwayDuke]

Did you mean to include all Jews? I would imagine there are some who would take other stances on other basis.

[GraniteStateConservative]

No, just Jews who take their position on the issue from their religious beliefs.

[BlackElk]

Conceding that I am a Catholic, what makes me think that the late Menachem Schneerson, the magnificent Lubavitcher Rebbe, or many other Hassidic teachers, rabbis and leaders or many Orthodox rabbis or even some Conservative rabbis have never regarded angst as a sufficient justification for the murder by dismemberment of the unborn? I won't be back online until Thursday in all likelihood. I am not running from any reply but simply out of my limited internet account for July and posting from a public library.

[Lorianne]

Men are complicit in abortion too, as are family members who coerce abortion on the young. How would these accomplices be punished?

[waterstraat]

Men are complicit in abortion too, as are family members who coerce abortion on the young. How would these accomplices be punished?

But of course, an accessory to murder also deserves to be put to death.

However, in most cases, it is the women alone who decide to murder the unborn baby.

As a side point, if an american mother can kill her baby without the mans permission, then we should also allow the father to kill the baby without the mothers permission. This can now be easily done by secretly giving the woman RU486.

The female of the human species is far more dangerous, and murderous than the male, dispite what you may read in the FBI reports since they do not include abortion.

The fact of the matter is, that the most dangerous place in america, for a child to be, is NOT in a home with guns in it, but in the mothers womb.

[waterstraat]

Actually the reason Jews are pro-choice is because of the concern for quality of life

I dont know, I am just asking. Is it only the American jews who are pro-choice? or are the Isralie jews also pro-choice?

The american jews have not learned anything from ww2, and are still against civilian jews owning or possessing firearms. The Isralie jews, are smarter, and have learned an important lesson. The Isralie jews do NOT believe in gun control anymore.

I wonder if the Isrealie jews also respect the lives of unborn babies more so than the american jews? I would tend to think so, and that the abortion rate in Isreal is no where as high as in america.

[Lorianne]

However, in most cases, it is the women alone who decide to murder the unborn baby.

Untrue and collective demonizing of women in order to wash the hands of men. Collective demonizing of women and pregnancy is what got us into the situation we are in today.

Ask any crisis pregnancy worker. Most women will not abort if they have the support of the father or other family members. The fact is many women do not have that support.

Also, women are under tremendous pressure from the father, family, society to abort. In additions studies have shown that 85% of fathers of babies being aborted are actively involved in the decision to abort.

Abortion was set up as a means for women AND men to escape responsibility. In fact many polls suggest abortion is supported in larger numbers by men than by women.

Great demands, expectations and incentives are placed on girls/women to abort. This is not a new thing. Historically and up to present day we have numerous arbitrary, unequal and unjust penalties for women who procreate relative to their co-procreator. As long as this remains the case, we all share the blame of abortion.

Even before abortion was legal, readily available and relatively safe, women were under great pressure to obtain abortions. Many were coerced and forced into abortions. This is why the early feminists vehemently opposed abortion.

[waterstraat]

However, in most cases, it is the women alone who decide to murder the unborn baby. Untrue and collective demonizing of women in order to wash the hands of men. Collective demonizing of women and pregnancy is what got us into the situation we are in today. You may be right. I dont know.

I was just going on personal experience. Nearly every woman I knew who got an abortion, got an abortion thru her own decision, and in many cases, against the will of the father.

I dont know of any statistics on it though, and I am not sure how good the statistics would be. What women say in public, and what they say in private, can be 2 different things.

Wouldn't a woman WANT? to say that the father was in agreement, rather than say she got an abortion against the will of the father? and wouldnt she WANT to spead out the blame onto the man?

Even the women that I know that made the decision all by themselves, they told the doctor that everyone they knew including the father were in agreement, so as to avoid any hesitation or arguement from the doctor.

Regardless, in the final analysis, the decision to abort , is solely the womens choice, and the man has no say in it in america.

[Lorianne]

Abortion is not about pregnancy. It is about responsibilities that come after pregnancy. As such, it is not just women who are affected and women are not the only ones involved in the decision .Though legally women are given the final say, it is most often a joint decision based on much input from the baby's father and other family members.

Crisis pregnancy workers will tell you the single most important thing that will sway a decision against an abortion, is a pledge of support towards the child from the father. Therefore, it is not really a unilateral unconditional decision of the mother as pro-Choice and hand-washing male pro-Lifers tries to make it seem.

It is odd that many pro-Life people are on the side of pro-Choice in WANTING to present abortion as the independent decision of the woman. The pro-Choice side wants to present it that way to convince women they have all the power. Many on the pro-Life side want to present it that way to wash men's hands of any complicity in abortion. Both are dishonest.

[GraniteStateConservative]

If it's a constitutional right, as the libs contend wrongly, then it doesn't matter how popular it is. Would you like the 2nd Amendment put to a referendum?

[narses]

Liberals claim it falls into the "right to privacy". Unlike TRTKBA, the "right" to privacy should not include the right to KILL the innocent. This "right" was invented out of thin air by a liberal coterie of judges based on a set of lies. The people of the US have been duped. They want change.

[waterstraat]

As such, it is not just women who are affected and women are not the only ones involved in the decision .Though legally women are given the final say

Legally, and physically, it is the womans decision alone. No matter what anyone else says or does, it is the womans decison. It is not right, but that is the way it is. No need to try to avoid it, or try to obscure it.