1 posted on
07/27/2002 8:23:39 AM PDT by
Clive
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2 posted on
07/27/2002 8:24:33 AM PDT by
Clive
To: Clive
Africa is what Africans have made it.
The time to get out was six months ago.
To: Clive
Dozens of people have asked me how they can help Zimbabwe in cash and kind and I hope by next week to have a number of reputable organisations to suggest. The speaking these people need to do comes out of the muzzle of a gun. They can die on their knees or maybe die fighting.
Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown
5 posted on
07/27/2002 8:44:08 AM PDT by
harpseal
To: Clive
It is not our fault that we have been unable to stop an incredibly powerful government from dragging us into this hell. Many people have been speaking out to try and effect change for 29 months and perhaps now, as things reach rock bottom, many more will begin to put aside their fear and speak out too. Your first problem was in not having a big stick of your own. You should have started arming your own army 29 months ago. Instead you negotiated from a position of weakness. This is something that only works when you are dealing with a civilized opponent. Your opponent was not civilized and so you lost.
Your second problem was disunity with many people frantically feeding their neighbors to the sharks in hopes of being spared.
The rest of the world is not going to come to your rescue and fight for you. We have our own problems.
Your options are now three. Get out and live. Stay and die. Stay and stand together and fight with no promise of sure victory.
If you chose to get out there are people who will help you. If you chose to stay and fight there are people who will help you get weapons. If your choose to stay and die we will morn you.
The next move is up to you.
a.cricket
To: Clive
Dozens of people have asked me how they can help Zimbabwe in cash and kind and I hope by next week to have a number of reputable organisations to suggest.If Mugabe is using this famine to destroy his opposition (I consider this a certainty),
won't any organization that Kathy Buckle lists in her column be immediately targeted?
To achieve his aims, Mugabe has to control every food source, right? Hope someone is watching any charity Buckle mentions.
8 posted on
07/27/2002 11:49:58 AM PDT by
ZOOKER
To: Clive
Cathy Buckle is a truly amazing individual, and a good writer.
Against all hope she hangs in there, hoping for a miracle.
But asking people to throw their money down the third world toilet that is Zimbabwe is a little bit over the top. Cathy, that toilet has been flushed and it is swirling fast. The only part left is that final gurgle as the sewage disappears down the soil pipe.
To: Clive
There are more and more cases now where farm workers, desperate to secure as much money as they can for the bleak months that inevitably lie ahead, have begun barricading their employers into their houses. Farm workers, often with the assistance of government supporters, threaten violence and refuse to let the farmers and their families out until they are paid enormous sums of retrenchment money.You can hardly blame them either and have to understand the reality of a country in economic collapse
Whew!
It is hard to have sympathy for these farmers at this point. The time to flee was two years ago.
To: Clive
Sadly, Zimbabwe is like a canary in a mine - what happens there first, later happens in South Africa. The European population in South Africa is already leaving, and soon there will be a mass exodus. All this is met with silence by the liberal West.
To: Clive
I know someone who is supposed to return to Zimbabwe. I have a chance tomorrow to try to talk her out of it.
Since she is a White Woman and alone, I give her a 20% to 50% odds of being alive in 5 years (and she is perfectly healthy now).
Any suggestions?
16 posted on
07/29/2002 9:56:54 AM PDT by
topher
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