Posted on 07/27/2002 8:30:11 AM PDT by JohnFiorentino
If you look at the fall times that Swordmaker and I have calculated from the radar returns, you'll see that it IS impossible for it to have climbed.
There just wasn't ANY time for it to come down from a altitude higher than its last reported height, and even THAT took some time to figure out how it could have come down from THAT high up in the time that it took for it to impact the Atlantic.
There is also the slight problem with the engine being at idle, insufficient lift, excessive drag, and aerodynamic instability. And don't forget insufficient loss of forward velocity in order for it to have climbed.
If you want to post the specific information you have in the post that you mention, please do it here so that we can re-examine those points that you feel prove otherwise..
BTW, the reason why I mentioned the Space Shuttle is that for TWA800 to have gone into a "zoom-climb", it would of had to have gone into a BALLISTIC CLIMB, which is exactly what the Space Shuttle does when it blasts off with its solid fuel booster rockets strapped on...
That does seem to be the easiest solution doesn't it? Of course, that is IF there is data to release...
From post #359:
Rokke: Even if you assumed the rate of climb remained 33 ft per sec during those 3 seconds, you now have a climb of 900ft. Considerably more than the 100-200 feet you assume, and closing on the 1200-2200ft the NTSB assumes.
I'm sorry Rokke, but 3 * 33 ft/sec = 99 feet, NOT 900. Is that the basis of your argument?
To John Fiorentino: Do you agree or disagree? In either case, please clarify why.
I won't answer for John, but I will ask you several questions in return.
Do ANY of the eyewitnesses or THEIR lawyers agree with you?
Do ANY of the victim's families or THEIR lawyers agree with you?
And WHY do you ignore the factual evidence presented thus far and continue to behave as if you have a legitimate argument?
Momemtum is composed of mass (inertia) and velocity which is NOT "stored energy".
Mass in NOT inertia. Mass is matter, the substance of what we know as atoms and molecules. Inertia is the resistance to change of motion, as described by Newton's First Law.
You are right, velocity is not "stored energy", it is rate of change in displacement (location) in relation to time.
Momentem is mass times velocity, or p = mv.
Now what do you want to discuss in relation to post #359?
Mass in is NOT inertia.
Oh, are we getting a little pompous here? He's a paralegal, a diminished twit, a tinfoil, a nobody."
The difference between paralegals and lawyers is roughly the same as between nurses and MD's. With some exceptions, nurses aren't authorized by law to diagnose a patient's health or operate on a patient and paralegals are not authorized by law to provide a law firm's clients with legal opinions or represent them in legal proceedings. The exceptions, for instance, would be that some nurses are also MD's and some paralegals are also lawyers. John Fiorentino has indicated he is not a lawyer.
Now proceed with your argument if you'd like....
'I won't answer for John, but I will ask you several questions in return. Do ANY of the eyewitnesses or THEIR lawyers agree with you?
Let's find out. Tell us who their lawyers are I'll provide them with The "Missile Witnesses" Myth.
"Do ANY of the victim's families or THEIR lawyers agree with you?"
The lawyers retained by the families are some of the best and most highly qualified legal experts in such matters to be found anywhere in the world. Experts know what they're doing. Amateurs don't.
"And WHY do you ignore the factual evidence presented thus far and continue to behave as if you have a legitimate argument?"
Those of you promoting the "shootdown" notion have been unable for over six years now to convince even one member of congress, past or present, that you have a "case", much less that you have supporting "factual evidence" or "legitimate arguments". John Fiorentino says he also hasn't yet seen any compelling evidence that Flight 800 was the victim of a missile shootdown. Trying to jam your "case" down peoples' throats hasn't been productive for the dwindling handful of you still trying to promote the stillborn "shootdown" notion either, has it. Under the circumstances, your last sentence has obviously not been proven to be factual.
You ignore factual questions, and even here, imply that there is substance in relation to your assertions where there isn't.
Your "myth" website is just that, as your sources do not even agree with your "analysis".
And still, you assert that you are an expert in all of this, yet provide nothing in the way of proof that you are.
Get back to me on my questions concerning your timeline. Get back to me on questions related to witness statements that are in direct conflict with your interpretations of segnments of those statements. You still provide nothing in the way of facts, but abound in a systematic slew of factoids that bear no resemblence to reality.
The only person trying to "jam" anything here is Asmodeus, and that is readily apparent by following your trail throughout this thread.
This is a strange proof of truth. I have never found Congress to be particularly interested in "truth" or even fairness for that matter.
Convincing 535 politicians is not the burden on those of us who are convinced something fishy occurred. Convincing the public is... Congress, as usual, will follow.
(2) Based on all the publicly available information, TWA 800 and a hostile missile, both flew into a test being conducted by the U.S. Dept. of Defense.
(3) The "powers that be," seem to have thought then, and still think now, that, what they then conspired to keep from public knowledge about such military operations, was, and is, for the long-term good of our common defense.
(4) The purpose of our military forces' test, that tragic evening, will eventually prove to have been prescient and saving many thousands of lives.
I wish you all, good luck.
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