[AdamSelene235]

Socialism, after all, implies outright nationalization of the means of production.

No, the communists tried that. It crashes too quickly.

Modern Socialist nationalizes the *results* of production. Income taxes, Social Security, Capital Gains, Auto Taxes, Death Taxes, Sin Taxes, Sale Taxes, Gas Taxes, etc.

Now what is the difference between subsidizing steel and subsidizing medical care?

[forest]

It's the crash that leads to totalinarianism and dictatorship, which is their goal, IMHO.