Posted on 07/28/2002 1:17:17 PM PDT by scripter
Guns are a 'public health' hazard. Smoking is a 'public health' hazard. Junk food is a 'public health' hazard. Freedom is a 'public health' hazard.
And before anyone says anything, I'm NOT pro-sodomy or anti-sodomy. Keep it the hell away from me, my wallet(domestic benefit salaries), and the schools is all I ask.
I freep-mailed this new position paper to lentulusgracchus on why homosexuality still is a paraphilic disorder. You should have it too, copy to your hard drive, negative research on homosexuality tends to disappear off line, Nadar Kalantar’s research paper Is There a Gay Gene is now off line other than the JPEG’s.
While I disagree with your punishments (I can't see castration under any circumstances except by express consent of the prisoner as part of a therapeutical effort at reformation), I think that you are correct that the evidence would support proscription, the People agreeing.
Crimes with a minor are, as you suggest, much more pernicious; gays often brag among themselves that "skinning" a young heterosexual male habitutates him to homosexuality -- thus confuting the essentialist propaganda. Therefore the punishment should indeed be more severe, and similar to the punishments meted out for statutory rape of underaged girls, with appropriate differences in the terms of incarceration according to the severity of the offense and the sexual orientation and predilections of the offender. Male offenders should not be confined with other males, if the crime was rape by force and the offender a powerfully-built, sadistic male, e.g. -- such a person should receive a completely different confinement from "general population".
Maybe we need to start messaging people at these sites and checking up a little on why certain things are taken down, who took them down -- and is he an activist?
By definition.
The Greek words of which "pederast" is made are the word pais/paidos, "boy", diminutive form paidion with the accent on the second "i", and erastes, which is a deverbative adjective drawn from a participle of the aorist (past) tense, active voice. We have no past-tense, active participles in English, so the word doesn't translate exactly, but it basically means "a male insertor". The literal meaning of "pederast", then, is "a man who has buggered boys".
"Bugger" is from the Middle French word bougre, "Bulgarian".
I've encountered Soble's name, tossed out with hostile aspersions, in an extended quote of Mel White of the gay Christian group (yes, I'm aware of the oxymoron) SoulForce, in a rant he gave encouraging gays no longer to discuss issues with "non-reconciling" non-gays and not to cooperate with them in any way whatsoever, but waging propaganda war on them instead, while taking the liberties to which gays think they are entitled.
But then, perhaps you posted that speech, too. I'm not sure where I saw it, but it was likely here on Freeper.
Thanks again for the links.
How about the Egyptian gentleman who decided he had to "work sick" by taking a business trip to New York that he thought he couldn't "afford" to miss.....and brought us all West Nile fever? A couple of people just died in my home county of it.....what do you say to them?
You're welcome! Since you had posted those replies previously in the forum, I didn't think you'd mind me quoting them.
"You've done a lot of good work on this subject, and I begin now to see the outlines of a coherent, forceful response to the reflexive pro-gay advocacy in the media."
Thanks, but I feel this has been a group effort. Many FReepers have contributed. I've learned much here.
The homosexual community's biggest victory was taking over the APA and getting homosexuality removed from the DSM. As stated in the article The A.P.A. Normalization of Homosexuality, and the Research Study of Irving Bieber,
"Dr. Bieber describes the deletion of homosexuality from the American Psychiatric Association's diagnostic and statistical manual as "the climax of a sociopolitical struggle involving what were deemed to be the rights of homosexuals."
Gay activist groups believed that prejudice against homosexuals could be extinguished only if, as homosexuals, they were accepted as normal. "They claimed that homosexuality is a preference, an orientation, a propensity; that it is neither a defect, a disturbance, a sickness, nor a malfunction of any sort." To promote this aim, Dr. Bieber reports, "Gay activists impugned the motives and ridiculed the work of those psychiatrists who asserted that homosexuality is other than normal."
A task force was set up to study homosexuality, but the members chosen included not a single psychiatrist who held the view that homosexuality was not a normal adaptation. There followed riots at scientific meetings by gay activists who increased the pressure on the Psychiatric Association...
Dr. Bieber pointed out that there were several other conditions in the DSM-II that did not fulfill the "distress and social disability" criteria: voyeurism, fetishism, sexual sadism, and masochism. A.P.A.'s Dr. Spitzer replied that these conditions should perhaps also be removed from the DSM-II -- and that if the sadists and fetishists were to organize as did the gay activists, they, too, might find their conditions normalized."
This set the stage for Kirk and Pill's campaign - The Overhauling of Straight America ( also see The Homosexual Propaganda and Media Manipulation Game ). More recently GLSEN, GLAAD, HRC, and a host of homosexual groups, have entered the fray.
The Church has been infiltrated and the homosexual community is hell-bent on indoctrinating public school kids. Read through the threads "Queering The Schools" and "Teaching Kindergarten Kids About 'Human Differences' and Homosexuality Isn't 'Easy' in Newton"
FReeper JesseHousman summarizes the homosexual agenda:
"It's just another milestone on the highway mapped out by those generals who march forward with the Homosexual Agenda For America tucked under their arm!
For over three decades, homosexual activists have tirelessly pursued their satanic vision of an America in which their behavior is affirmed and their critics are silenced.
The Supreme Court's ruling overturning sodomy laws opens the door to the complete triumph of the homosexual agenda -- and the end of free-speech rights for all who have faith-based objections to endorsing, funding or supporting homosexual behavior.
A six-point strategy was laid out by two homosexual leaders in the late 1980s, to radically alter America's understanding of homosexual behavior. How all six of these points are being carried out in present-day American culture.
Homosexual activists have made progress by infiltrating, influencing and intimidating people in every major power structure -- including the media, education, government, corporate America, and even the major churches.
Homosexual activists are using corporate employment policies to promote homosexual behavior -- and to stigmatize, isolate and silence employees who express opposition.
"Gay rights" legislation in many states sets severe punishments for those who do not agree with its demands while the homosexual agenda is being pushed to elementary school children, starting in kindergarten. Then there's the little-known proposal to implement a full-scale indoctrination of children to accept and affirm homosexual behavior. Unfortunately, the indoctrination in our public schools has been all too successful while liberal churches exist for little more than promoting homosexual behavior.
Homosexual propagandists have been extremely skillful in portraying anyone who opposes them as sympathetic to, or even complicit in, violence against homosexuals.
They have succeeded in "piggybacking" their agenda on legitimate causes such as equal rights for racial minorities and Hollywood helps by replacing old stereotypes with new ones that idealize homosexuals and demonize their opponents.
The fundraising power of the homosexual movement extorts money from corporations and foundations while, thanks to the Lavender Tower, homosexual behavior and its promotion have become pervasive at colleges and universities.
"Domestic partner" policies and "civil unions" are aimed at the wholesale destruction of marriage (as one influential homosexual writer actually boasted) are aimed at homosexual adoption: a devastating critique of the sloppy, poorly-documented studies that helped it gain acceptance."
more later...
Ed thanks for the Bieber cite, I didn't have that.
I saw mel white on c-span a few months ago, he and his "partner" were the typical madg who panned every comment as irrelevant.
But you are pro-sodomy. Very much so. You apparently believe that if you ignore the horrific external public health costs that irresponsible gays pass on to the rest of through their behavior, these costs won't exist.
But ignoring the public health impact of sodomy doesn't change the fact that you and I end up paying through the nose to treat the consequences of that behavior.
Bone-headed, stubborn ignorance merely encourages and guarantees more irresponsible behavior and higher taxpayer costs.
Well said.
As I recall, gay activist David Ehrenstein also wrote about the mugging of the APA (see my cited post above), but I don't recall the title of his book. You can find him quickly at Amazon, though.
I have a copy of Bieber's book, and it represents fairly well I think the state of psychiatric knowledge on the eve of the Gay Cabal's assault. Socarides' description of packed committees and exclusive seminars stinks of Bolshevik techniques of front-building. Marmor and Spitzer were two of the chief perpetrators of the whole thing, and Marmor was also the chief accuser of Paul Cameron in the Texas sodomy case that saw an ultra-liberal, forum-shopped, then-recent Carter appointee calling Cameron a liar and mountebank from a federal bench. That denunciation was fed back by Marmor and others to Nebraska, Cameron's home state, where a gay "truth squad" worked up a brief against Cameron to get him tossed from the American Psychological Association, in order to discredit him. But instead of fighting the charges, Cameron resigned, which in 20/20 retrospect may have been a mistake. You never resign the field to these guys, you always fight.
No doubt about it, Marmor has been an 800-pound bad guy in all this.
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Why Isn't Homosexuality Considered A Disorder On The Basis Of Its Medical Consequences?
I didn’t know Marmor was involved with the case, I thought the “Judge” acted all on his own. This also stinks of more coercion from the APA’s “gay” Cabal.
No doubt about it, Marmor has been an 800-pound bad guy in all this.
You’ve mentioned that before, I thought he was only involved for his research study in the 73 committee’s decision along with the Hooker, Kinsey and the Ford and Beach studies. But later in the 70’s didn’t Marmor become APA chairman?
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