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Who am I to tell Christians to stop supporting government education?
RazorMouth ^ | 7/28/02 | Jim Babka

Posted on 07/28/2002 3:29:38 PM PDT by ppaul

My recent RazorMouth article on the Pledge of Allegiance was republished in two other venues, and I received a lot of angry email. One Christian mother from Florida wrote to tell me that, because her sister home-schooled her children, she had prayerfully re-evaluated whether she should do the same. Both she and her husband felt that God was clearly leading them to leave their children in the government schools. In her words:

one of the paragraphs in your article really angered and offended me. You stated, "and those Christian parents who insist on deluding themselves about the wonders of public education will remain where they are." Mr. Babka, if I am being "deluded" about the education of my children, then it is God who is doing the deluding, because it is His voice to which we are listening. She “shuddered to think of what our public school system, and the children in it, would be if ALL Christian parents pulled their children out.” She went on to point out the wonderful impact Christian kids have in government schools. Then she asked me, “How can my children be salt and light if they are doing their studies at the dining room table and not in a classroom full of kids who may have never heard the gospel?”

I understand her point, and appreciate her feeling that God is leading her, but we must remember that other parents likewise feel that God is also leading them to abandon the government schools. I would urge her to more prayer, because there are other issues to consider, and more than one way to provide salt and light to the world.

Young children are impressionable. They lack the experience for discernment. And it's a well-established fact that you only get back what you put in. The state has her children for more waking hours than she does. She can’t control whom they associate with, or what they hear, see, and read. Perhaps, because her children are teenagers, they’re already prepared to prosper in an atmosphere antagonistic to her values. But it seems risky to expect the same from an elementary school child.

More importantly, we must consider what would happen if all Christian parents removed their children from the government schools. I believe the system would fold for lack of business. Would this increase or decrease the salt and light we provide to the world? And what would be the state of our nation’s children?

Education would still continue, but now it would thrive—as it did before public schools were created 120 years ago (when having an 8th grade education meant that someone was ready for college). It would also cost far less and teenage pregnancy, drug abuse, and other social ills would almost certainly plummet. I believe this would add a great deal of salt and light to the world.

We also need to remember that schools teach according to their own institutional interests.

Catholic schools teach that the Pope, bishops, and priests, and their moral teachings, hold the answers, and that a sacramental life is pretty important.

Evangelical Christian schools teach that the Bible holds the answers, and that personal salvation and godly behavior are necessary.

Prep schools teach that the elites of science, business, and government hold the answers, and that hard work and academic success are necessary to join that elite.

So, what should we expect government schools to teach?

My thoughtful correspondent from Florida believes she is able to control what goes on at her local government school, because she is heavily involved in it. But she is just one person, and the stories of school districts thumbing their nose at parents are legion. Just because it's never happened to her doesn't mean it won’t. And given the power of teachers unions, does she believe she could force the school board to change its mind (especially in a major city)?

Now I'm not disputing that her children can be a godly example in their government school, but I do believe that the costs and the benefits don’t add up to a net increase for salt and light in the world. Quite simply, I don’t believe children are qualified to be missionaries, and they are therefore more likely to be corrupted by the godless environment of the government schools than to effectively change that environment.

Missionaries must meet certain qualifications before they're sent into a mission field. Children do not meet those qualifications. I would like my Florida correspondent, and other concerned parents like her, to seriously consider whether their children will be able to detect when they’re being brainwashed by environmentalism, drug-war propaganda, relative value systems, sex-ed, and diversity training.

Government schools naturally teach children to trust government, and learning to trust government means learning to question parental authority, worship Mother Earth, worship the state (hence the Pledge of Allegiance), and accept as normal that Heather Has Two Mommies.

It seems clear to me that home-schooled and Christian-schooled children can provide more salt and light to the world than government-schooled Christian kids for the simple reason that they are being trained all day, every day, to do exactly that.

Finally, we need to recognize that government schools are based on compulsion. They confiscate the wealth of people without children, and even worse, those who have kids but who are not using the system. In other words, Christian parents who feel God is leading them to teach their children elsewhere are forced to pay twice! The compulsion and confiscation of the government schools violates everything we Christians are supposed to believe in.

How can we end this immoral system?

If all Christian parents would remove their children then the system would collapse, and the money confiscated by the government schools would instead flow toward private, and godlier alternatives. This sea-change would be a sign that Christians have truly accepted their calling to be salt and light, and that God has jurisdiction over both the rearing of our children and our pocketbooks.

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To: Illbay
IMO, I don't give a flip if my daughter is "taught" evolution, because we talk about it, and why evolution as a theory for the development of man from lower animals runs counter to revealed truth in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and the Judaic tradition from which it sprang. And then she thinks to herself "I know my Savior and my Heavenly Father, and they are real and true. I will accept that truth and reject the false."

Exactly. My 'oversimplification' was due to the fact that I didn't want my post to read like a book.

I agree with you 100%. Our kids were taught critical thinking at home, they were well grounded in their faith both at home and at church, we talked freely and often about what they were learning, and they were able to counter any teachings contrary to truth (such as evolution) with facts and with reason, and were respected by their teachers (who were occasionally humbled that a student would be more well acquainted with scientific fact than they).

All four of them have become stronger in their faith because they defended it.

21 posted on 07/29/2002 8:57:33 AM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: watchin
Parents who send their children to fight their battles on the front lines sound more palestinian than Christian.

Now you see, it's people like you, who make irrational, nasty comments like this that destroy healthy discourse on this subject.

Do you have a clue as to how many Godly, dedicated, praying parents you are utterly condemning with this absurd statement?

Unbelieveable!!

22 posted on 07/29/2002 9:03:41 AM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: mamaduck; watchin
I really don't know how a Christian parent can look at public schools and still claim that it is GOD and not their own fears and weaknesses that keeps their children in them!

Fears and weaknesses? Would you care to explain that to my husband and me, who after prayer and thought understood God's leading to send our kids to public school, where they received a fine education, witnessed daily of the love of Jesus Christ to their classmates, had a positive impact on kids and teachers alike, and emerged stronger for being there?

How exactly were we being weak by following the will of our loving God, and watching our children grow in faith and strength of conviction over the course of their 13 years in public schools?

How is that the result of fear, when all four of our children are bold and strong, and seeking to serve God in missions and service to the same God that had us send them to public schools?

There is something very dangerous about the kind of condemnation you have expressed, which IMO, is the result of your myopic view of people and situations you don't understand at all.

23 posted on 07/29/2002 9:15:18 AM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: Brad's Gramma; homeschool mama
The devil loves public educated children because they plump when you cook em' !
24 posted on 07/29/2002 9:21:00 AM PDT by Khepera
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
This thread is just beggin' for your input!

;>)

25 posted on 07/29/2002 9:23:29 AM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: ppaul
Young children are not to be considered 'missionaries' to public schooled children. It's difficult enough for adults to be missionaries...why would we push this on our children?!

As for me and my house...we'll homeschool.

26 posted on 07/29/2002 9:24:21 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: JediGirl; Brad's Gramma; SpookBrat
A most unkind and ignorant statement....totally expected from you, unfortunately.
28 posted on 07/29/2002 9:26:35 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: ppaul
I don't know how a Christian can vote Democrat. The party is Sodom and Gomorrah with a little fascist Germany and communist Russia thrown in, not a shining city on a hill.
29 posted on 07/29/2002 9:39:55 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: ohioWfan
All four of them have become stronger in their faith because they defended it.

I think the first time I ever realized I had a testimony of my faith was when I was confronted by a woman handing out pamphlets at the front of my high school (whis would have been about 1973 or so). She challenged me to renounce my own faith and join hers. It was the first time I'd ever really had to defend my beliefs, and I realized then how much I REALLY DID believe.

Sounds like your kids are in good hands. Hope I didn't come off as critical, I was just using your post to kind of sound off on some things I've thought about for awhile.

Regards.

30 posted on 07/29/2002 9:49:20 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: ohioWfan
Your active involvement and deep personal interest and commitment to your children has grounded them deeply, ohio. That, and the great public school in your area. There *are* great public schools...just few and far between. In my area the alternative lifestyle academics are big...and one reason we homeschool.

Blessings, HSM

31 posted on 07/29/2002 9:55:26 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: homeschool mama
Yikes, this is gonna be an interesting thread.
32 posted on 07/29/2002 9:58:29 AM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: ohioWfan
We never felt that God was leading us to remove them.

A bribe blinds the eyes of the wise. The operative word in your assertion is "felt." The Bible specifies that education is a church/family responsibility. The Bible nowhere specifies a legitimate role for the State in the area of education. Those are the facts.

Feelings are very pursuasive, however, when money is involved.

33 posted on 07/29/2002 10:08:42 AM PDT by TomSmedley
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To: dubyagee
They have to enter the real world at some point and time.

In the real world, I've never worked in an office where all the writers were 32 years old. In the real world, I've never had to ask permission to use the bathroom. In the real world, I've never dreaded probable physical assault when going to work. In the real world, I've never been able to stay in place by lazily treading water.

34 posted on 07/29/2002 10:12:30 AM PDT by TomSmedley
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To: Motherbear
God called us to send our kids to public school. You can criticize all you'd like, but in our case, with our kids, in our schools, it was what God led us to do. No doubts whatsoever. They are stronger for it, and there are plenty of others like them.

Be careful of blanket statements base only on your own personal opinion. There is no way you can know what God called us to do. We know it absolutely.

35 posted on 07/29/2002 10:13:04 AM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: Illbay
No, you didn't come off as critical, and I agreed with everything you said.......but thanks!
36 posted on 07/29/2002 10:14:14 AM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: Motherbear
God doesn't call us to take chances with our children.

Especially when the dice are loaded 4-1 in favor of "the house," and you're shooting craps with the eternal destinies of your children. (Barna surveys indicate that 80% of kids from "evangelical" homes are no longer attending church 5 years after graduating from high school. Hard core calvinists, who catechetize their children and see to their getting a Christian education, have a 90% average retention rate.)

37 posted on 07/29/2002 10:16:11 AM PDT by TomSmedley
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To: ppaul
She “shuddered to think of what our public school system, and the children in it, would be if ALL Christian parents pulled their children out.”

Sure it [putting Christian children in Christian schools] would take money from the public schools in the form of their FTE (Full Time Equivalent) allotment.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, so sadddddddddddddddddd.

38 posted on 07/29/2002 10:16:23 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: homeschool mama
Agreed. The good schools are few and far between. And, as you and I have discussed before, you know that other circumstances would have led us to other choices, and that I highly respect and understand the choice to homeschool.

It seems that others' minds don't include the entire spectrum of circumstance, or God's calling as does yours. Thanks for your support.

39 posted on 07/29/2002 10:17:07 AM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: TomSmedley
Wow, you jumped on that one, didn't you? OK, insert the word thought, or whatever other word you'd like.

We did not base our decision on feelings whatsoever. We based it on an assessment of our particular children and home (strong), our particular school, our particular Christian worldview, and our (intellectual and spiritual) understanding of Scripture.

There are a whole host of things which are not specified in Scripture, and you are not qualified in any way to make a decision as to what God led us to do with regard to our children's education.

And what in the world does money have to do with anything I've said? It was totally irrelevant to our decision, as were our "feelings".

btw, our two oldest kids are both 5 point Calvinists 5 and 3 years after High School, which is interesting, because we are not. (I have trouble with the 'L').

40 posted on 07/29/2002 10:25:38 AM PDT by ohioWfan
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