Homosexual Researchers Debunk ‘Born Gay’ Urban Legend

Traditional Values Coalition ^ | 7/30/02 | Traditional Values Coalition

[Antoninus]

Hey Moscow, respectfully, bite me on the crank. We are talking about the supposed origins of homosexuality and fee will. Having been raised in a family rife with homosexuals, I do believe I have an insight that is important to the argument.

Oh yeah, your younger brother had a normal childhood...

[MAWG]

" Of course they do."

No. They dont. I have read all 3 of John Douglas' books on Sexual Homicide and serial killers and one thing is certain: At some point in their fantasy development, a serial killer experiences what Douglas calls a triggering event and he kills to try and fulfill his fantasy. From that point on there is no turning back, no choosing to be good from then on.The compulsion to kill controls them for the rest of their lives. Douglas goes on to say that the only thing you can do at that point, and remember that he interviewed scores of these maniacs, is kill them.

[MAWG]

" Oh yeah, your brother had a normal childhood."

It was normal enough that my older brother and I have done very well in our private lives and business'. How would you explain our coming through it " normal."

[ZULU]

There was a study released recently, I can't recall the source, that indicated Homosexual men processed information differently in their brains. It was in a Scientific Journal and wasn't bogus. There ARE biological differences between SOME homosexuals and normal males.

[Antoninus]

Being a rational, thoughtful conservative ought to include a bit of sympathy and tolerance for others who are different.

Most conservatives have no problem with gays doing whatever it is they do in the privacy of their own homes. However, when they choose to try to force their immorality on the rest of society, the ball-game changes completely. When they try to force society to change thousands of years of tradition to accept that gay liaisons are the moral equivalent of marriage, conservative get rightfully angry. When homosexual activists try to introduce the subject to school children as young as five, conservatives will demand that they stop.

This is no longer a question of 'tolerance.' Individuals with SSAD are tolerated. This is a wholesale cultural shift supported by the media and cultural 'elites' that 80-90% of us regular folks oppose. This is a question of conservatives rising up in opposition to a radical, evangelical religion of homosexuality that can bear no criticism.

[ZULU]

You have become another victim of that bane of the late 20th and early 21st centuries - Moral Relativism.

Its the bitter fruit of the "If it feels good, do it" philosophy of the late 20th Century.

[Antoninus]

If homosexuality is "unnatural" why do we see it in nature? I remember my neighbor's bird dogs when I was growing up that seemed naturally inclined to bugger each other when given the chance.

This is not a strong argument. Animals do all sorts of things that humans find abhorrent, including cannibalism and eating their own vomit. Why would anyone be surprised if they bugger each other too? Men in prison bugger each other and I don't see many people claiming that's genetic...

[yendu bwam]

You have become another victim of that bane of the late 20th and early 21st centuries - Moral Relativism. Its the bitter fruit of the "If it feels good, do it" philosophy of the late 20th Century.

You're right. I have. And my children are affected as well. I will fight to teach them my morality (which comes from God).

[Antoninus]

I bet the missionaries about pooped in their pants!

Doubtful. If you've ever read anything about the Jesuit missionary martyrs in 17th century Canada, these men had much bigger things to worry about than buggery. And they faced them with a courage, faith, and determination that makes ordinary people like me ashamed of myself.

[Willie Green]

While I agree that many become homosexual for a variety of psychological reasons, It's my observation that there are also others who were, indeed, born that way. There may not be a "gay gene", but perhaps some other factor that results in this birth defect. Perhaps some kind of vitamin deficiency or hormonal imbalance in the mother during pregnancy.

[Antoninus]

Hmmmmm......interesting. One problem, though. Many lesbians feel that they are gay because of sexual abuse by adult "straight" men (members of the opposite sex).

It's not a problem at all. You might have a point if men and women were exactly identical in how they develop psychologically and physiologically. Of course, they aren't. Isn't it interesting that homosexuals of both sexes seem to BOTH be victims of predatory older men in their childhood? Any lightbulbs going off there?

[MAWG]

" Whether they are powerless to change should have no bearing on whether I approve or accept."

I couldnt agree more. At my stepfathers funeral 5 years ago, my uncle who was 55 at the time, confided in my younger brother that he was gay and had been all his life. He had been married 3 times and each wife left him for the obvious reason. He tried as hard as he could to be " straight " and do the right thing. It made him miserable. He was a life long drug addict and a drunk. He died of a drug overdose last Feb. at the age of 60.

[Antoninus]

Why don't you flag some gay Freepers and see what they think of your warped obsession with what goes on in other consenting adults' bedrooms.

Look, take your straw man and beat it. It has been said over and over ad nauseam that nobody cares what you people are doing in your bedrooms. We DO care when you try to force your immorality on us with phony wedding ceremonies that must be given the force of law, with fisting/oral sex 'teach-ins' in the schools, with the insistence on homosexual scoutmasters, clergy, yadda, yadda, yadda.

If you people had just kept it in the bedroom, none of this would be an issue!

[Antoninus]

They know that what they are doing is wrong yet they are powerless, or at least that's what they tell themselves, to change. I believe that with some homosexual men, most even, that is probably the case.

Forgive me, but this is the statement of a defeatist and a pessimist. Tell me, is it possible for alcoholics or drug addicts to reform their lives? Do you know what the first step is when someone goes to AA? With God, all things are possible.

[Antoninus]

Or is the standard simply "the bible said so"?

What's wrong with this standard, exactly?

[Coeur de Lion]

The hypothesis is wrong the gene for male homosexuality can be passed on the female chromosome. That way it wouldn't be effected by natural selection. Also there seems to be some indication that the environment in the uterus namely hormone levels might effect this. Baldness in men seems to be determined by this mechanism as well as fingerprints etc. Why argue the point. It doesn't matter one way or the other. Buying into the lie that because homosexuality is an inborn condition it follows that the behaviorshould be acceptable is the our first mistake. Whether gays can be reconditioned into heterosexuals only interests me in an academic way. Gay activists by making gayness synonomous with race or skin color have been quite successful. This is the "Big Lie". Suppose we find a gene for criminality does that infer that criminality in the case of some individuals who happen to have the gene should be tolerated. How about alcoholism, should the behavior be tolerated because they have the gene. How about pedophilia, if they have the gene they are only acting in accordance with their nature. Don't you realize that pedophilia is only a sexual orientation and therefore has nothing to do with perversion. As a free society I think it's probably incumbent to tolerate homosexual behavior between two consenting adults or maybe even three or four. But as long as society continues to buy into this lie this lobby will continue to make progress in such a manner as they have whereby you can toss all sexual mores out the window and we'll have every perversion imaginable protected by some civil right.

[Antoninus]

An exhaustive study in The New England Journal of Medicine, medical literature's only study reporting on homosexuals who kept sexual "diaries," indicated the average homosexual ingests the fecal material of 23 different men each year. The same study indicated the number of annual sexual partners averaged nearly 100. Homosexuals averaged, per year, fellating 106 different men and swallowing 50 of their seminal ejaculations, and 72 penile penetrations of the anus.

How is 'accepting and approving' of someone in this lifestyle showing compassion or love. It's not. That's just the easy way out for those who have been convinced that there's no way to help their loved one break free of this psychological bondage. Homosexuality is a vile and horrible deathstyle.

[Antoninus]

Yes, homosexual behavior carries with it a health risk. As does promiscous heterosexual behavior, smoking, eating fatty food, and a litany of other things. It doesn't make them all immoral acts.

I guess you don't know too much about Christian asceticism then...

[Antoninus]

From that point on there is no turning back, no choosing to be good from then on.The compulsion to kill controls them for the rest of their lives.

That may be what the author wrote, but I don't buy it.