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To: AnnaZ
This [ammonite fossils in the Himalayas] is one of the proofs that the Himalayas were indeed once under water.

Rather an inadequate response to the flood predictions link. Yes, there are lots of marine fossils in the Himalayas. Whales, for instance. Those sediments were once in what's called the Tethys Sea. In other words, plate tectonics make a better explanation for sea fossils in the mountains than does your global flood.

And why is that? Because of all the points in that link that you didn't answer, of which the one you quoted is oddly enough one. Here's another.

2. We would expect to see no sorting in regard to sediment type and size. The maelstrom of a flood would only permit "dumping" of transported sediment in accord with Stokes Law. Furthermore, HOW could floodwaters have deposited layers of HEAVIER sediments on top of layers of LIGHTER sediments? In other words, if there had been an ultramassive Flood, we would not expect to see limestone strata overlaid by granite. No creationist has ever explained how the Flood could have deposited layers of heavy sediment on top of layers of lighter sediment.
What you have done shows "Morton's Demon" in action. You blot out all the stuff in that link you don't have an answer for (essentially all of it) and trot out the sea fossils in the mountains, which plate tectonics explains rather better than creationism.

Why better? Just for instance, in my Appalachian Mountains there are none of those whale fossils the Himalayas have. There are no dinosaurs, no mammals. Why? Flood geology has a shrug. "Because there aren't, that's all."

Against that, real geology says that some mountains are a lot lot lot lot older than others. The Appalachians are some really old mountains. Mountains don't build up fossils while they're wearing down.

So which one makes sense?

134 posted on 07/30/2002 4:29:28 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
What you have done shows "Morton's Demon" in action.

That was an excellent link - I'll have to keep the term handy now.

138 posted on 07/30/2002 4:41:57 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: VadeRetro; PatrickHenry
 
Good afternoon, gentlemen (I presume gender-wise, hope behavior-wise...),
 
I am not a scientist, nor have I played one on film, TV or radio. I avoid these ("crevo") threads for their consistent and disturbing trend towards an arrogance and name-calling unseen so regularly anywhere else on the forum.
 
Baaaaaa, yes, I am a silly, little sheep, and admit my "origins" philosophy relies partly on faith, but I'm honest about that.
 
I find the idea of a Creator not only more spiritually satisfying, but also more logical when I take in the beauty of Creation. That people think clothes designers are totally brilliant, yet that the gorgeous supermodels that display the finery were designer-free, boggles my mind. Although I've only become a Christian recently in my life, even in my wild and wacky heathen daze I couldn't buy that one.
 
Personally, I could give a crap about the circumference of a bowl. I have found proofs for God in much more interesting places -- flowering meadows filled with hummingbirds, stories of self-sacrifice for others, hot springs in the wintertime. And in my heart.
 
I wish you both peace.

142 posted on 07/30/2002 5:13:40 PM PDT by AnnaZ
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