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A Liberal HS Teachers Views on MEChA
A Washington State HS Teacher | 7/30/02 | Vets_Husband_and_Wife

Posted on 07/30/2002 12:50:57 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife

MY E-MAIL REGARDING MEChA

"ALL ABOUT MEChA"

http://www.aztlan.net/

and look here on the link below for all the different websites at COLLEGE campuses regarding MECha!!!

http://auto.search.msn.com/results.asp?cfg=SMCINITIAL&srch=5&FORM=AS5&RS=CHECKED&v=1&q=MEChA

Here are just a few words from their "manifesto": > "We, Mechistas commit ourselves to return to our community and contribute to the development of the Chicana/Chicano Nation." (they want back all land that belongs to them, in their opinion,.. but there is more.. read on!!!)

"Finally, as Mechistas, we vow to work for the liberation of Aztlán, leading to socioeconomic and political justice for our Gente. M.E.Ch.A. then, is more than a name; it is a spirit of unity by comadrismo/carnalismo, and a resolution to undertake a struggle for liberation! Tierra y Libertad!"

(The liberation of Aztlan, is the retaking **by any force** what they percieve to be "their Land/Aztlan". They are spreading themselves all over the Nation!!! With that in mind,.. read on!!)

"General membership shall consist of any student who accepts, believes, and works for the goals and objectives of M.E.Ch.A. including the liberation of Aztlán"

"Process of Implementation: 1) Every campus outreach program must be analyzed to see if early outreach and supportive counseling is being provided at surrounding junior high school and high school; demand that Mechistas receive work-study to augment such services at the junior high and high schools;

2) Demand that your campus fund a student run, student initiated summer academic enrichment program for high school students that will be organized by the respective M.E.Ch.A. chapter and that will give Mechistas jobs;

3) Understanding that Chicana/Chicano attrition rates are high on all campuses, demand that the university/community college fund the following educational modules:

stress management, time management, study skills, writing lab, self-esteem, public speaking, critical thinking, Chicana and Chicano Identity/History, library research, a M.E.Ch.A. National Hotline, and free tutoring;

4) Since services are a demand of the university, M.E.Ch.A. must demand that its membership be committed to these services and to academic achievement;

5) Demand that M.E.Ch.A.'s key officers be funded through work-study and offer the rationale that M.E.Ch.A. coordinates youth leadership through retreats and Central activities;

6) Demand that the financial aid office at the respective campus not acknowledge outside scholarships as affecting the final financial aid award from the university and federal/state aid."

(Notice the word "demand" in their manifesto's. If you go visit any website.. you will see it often!)

"National Pride Recognizing that the majority of our Raza are members of the working class, we avow an anti-imperialist analysis that includes Chicana/Chicano self-determination. Chicano self-determination must begin with the recognition of what is implied in using the term M.E.Ch.A.

(Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán).

Essentially, we are a Chicana and Chicano student movement directly linked to Aztlán. As Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán, we are a nationalist movement of Indigenous Gente that lay claim to the land that is ours by birthright.

As a nationalist movement we seek to free our people from the exploitation of an oppressive society that occupies our land.

Thus, the principle of nationalism serves to preserve the cultural traditions of La Familia de La Raza and > promotes our identity as a Chicana/Chicano Gente."

This was only part of their papers, and all were carefully written!! But one only need to READ this last paragraph from them to understand their intent and manifesto!!!

Note the use of "self determination" through out.

Bill O'Rielly made the guest from MEChA address those two words. They indeed mean taking back Arizona, California, Texas and ALL lands they feel are theirs by birthright!!

I only gave a SMALL amount of information.. but you can see they are anything BUT harmless!!! They were very aggressive to the GRINGO's (that was the racist remark they made about the "white/Jewish" conservative kids who were passing out the information about them. Which from what I'm reading was right on!!!) The conservative kids were pointing out their/MEChA's views. And proved, IMHO, that MEChA is a racist bigoted organization. With ill intent on ALL Americans!!

Those who say they are harmless, have their heads DEEPLY planted in sand!! But look for yourselves at the links I provided.

Scary stuff!!! Even worst and more frightening when you see them speak as I did a month or so ago!!!

HERE IS THE HIGH SCHOOL TEACHERS RESPONSE TO THE ABOVE E-MAIL:

My dearest Aunt Maryann...

(Get yourself a cool drink, sit down in a comfy chair and relax, because this is a long one...)

After reading your e-mail about this group of people, I feel compelled to reply because I don't think you fully understand the concept of Aztlan and MEChA. Probably, anything I have to say will not sway your opinions, but I will say it anyway, and hope that you can be open-minded and will want to learn about another culture, in order to promote peace and harmony in our world.

It is my hope that after you read my e-mail, you will want to perhaps retract some of your statements, and will be just as enthusiastic about forwarding this information to all your friends and family, just as you did with your anti-MEChA e-mail.

As you know, I am a Spanish teacher and am fluent in the language. I am also very in touch with the Hispanic culture in the United States, having lived with Hispanics for over a year in New York, working with Mexicans in Hillsboro and Albany, OR and Vancouver, WA and having studied extensively the language and culture of Hispanics in America and in their native lands. I have many friends and acquaintances who are Mexican-Americans (Chicanos). I have a Master's degree in teaching Spanish, which includes not only the language but the culture and the history as well. I know what I'm talking about with regard to this subject.

Aztlan is the name for the land that the Aztecs came from before they migrated to the southern part of Mexico, and settled in Tenochtitlan (modern day Mexico City). Nobody really knows "exactly" where Aztlan was, but there are theories, and some think it was the area that is now the southwestern part of the modern-day United States.

The idea of Aztlan is a cultural one, that many Chicanos cling to, giving them ties to their heritage, a "place" where their ancestors came from, and a "land" they can consider their own. It is a conceptual homeland, rather than a true "geographical location." When they talk of the "retaking of Aztlan," as you are fearing, they are referring to recapturing their own culture and heritage, and hanging onto it, rather than being assimilated into the W.A.S.P. culture of America. They are referring to promoting their own heritage, and delighting in their diversity, and promoting cultural strength and growth within their community, so as not to lose their culture and language. That is exactly what "self-determination" means!

We must remember that this southwestern part of "our" country - California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas, and part of Colorado - used to be another country - Mexico. We went to war with Mexico, and as a result of the signing of the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, we moved the border of Mexico to the Rio Grande, thus taking about 1/2 of their country for our own. We "won" it. But that doesn't mean that all the Mexicans that were living here, just moved "back" to Mexico. They were in Mexico, but now it wasn't Mexico, it was another country. Still, this was their home, and they belonged here and had a right to be here just as much, if not moreso, than the white settlers who were moving into the area. The Mexicans had been living here for many years before the "Americans" arrived. (I don't like using the term "American" to refer to only those from the United States, as all who live in North, Central and South America are Americans. It's unfortunate that our language doesn't have a word for people from the United States other than American - in Spanish we are called "estadounidenses" or United Statesmen)

Sometimes, it's hard for us to understand what it might feel like to have someone come and take over your home, and demand that you follow their rules, and speak their language, since we have never been conquered. But for the Mexican-American people, this happened twice. They were conquered once by the Spaniards, thus completely changing their Aztec culture into a mixed culture of Spanish and Indian influences, where they had to change their religious beliefs, learn another language, and change their way of living in drastic ways.

Then, a few hundred years later, along come the Americans telling them "you're in our country, speak our language, learn our rules, live our way, or you'll be ostracized, oppressed, swindled out of your land, and more!" This loss of property that I speak of happened extensively, because the people were sent documents informing them that they would lose their land if they didn't follow certain legal steps to keep it. Since these documents were written in English, and the people spoke Spanish, they didn't understand, and didn't know how to fight the American court system, and were thus, removed from their homes, so that "Americans" could have that land.

Perhaps these MEChA people that you went and saw speaking are truly wanting this land back - but can you blame them? I really can't. In the same way, I wouldn't blame the Native Americans if they decided that they wanted their land back either. It's natural to feel that you have a right to take back something that was stolen from you. I am not Chicana, but I, like you, have some Native American blood in my veins, and when I think about the way they were cheated out of their native lands, and killed mercilessly all for the sake of "Manifest Destiny," it angers me, and gives me very little pride in how our great country expanded to what it is today.

I don't know about you, but I can understand how these early inhabitants who were displaced from their homes might be a little bitter about it, and want to "recapture" their homeland, even if it is just figuratively speaking - from a cultural standpoint. I'm sure that the feeling of these Chicanos is that they have been robbed of what belonged to their people - their home. And when I think of what that might feel like, it helps me to understand their anger.

The reason that you sent out this e-mail to warn people seems to be because you too, fear losing your home in the event that this group would try to "take back their land," so it seems logical that you would understand that losing one's home is not a pleasant prospect. You seem to perceive this group as a threat to your way of life. Can you understand that they perceive our society's oppression of their people as a threat to their way of life?

Now, you may be thinking that I'm sounding awfully "anti-American" in my explanation of all of this. I am not. I am proud to be an American as I know you are too. I am proud of our country's strength in banding together after the attacks of 9/11. I am proud when I walk around school and see Anglo kids, African-American kids, Hispanic kids and Asian kids all hanging out together. Of course, this isn't always the case, and there is still separation of ethnic groups, often by their own choice, but when I see that mixing of groups happen, I feel that we are moving closer to Dr. Martin Luther King's dream of a country where we can all live together peacefully, equal in each other's eyes regardless of race, color or creed. I am proud of America's diversity and I am proud of our MANY cultures that exist here and give our country it's "flavor." For what would a great meal be, if it had no flavor? America has been considered a melting pot, but I challenge that idea, and say we are like a fine seven course meal, each course individual and different, but when put together, they compliment each other in ways unimaginable, for an incomparable dining experience. If we were to throw all those courses into a blender - the appetizer, the salad, the soup, the bread, the meat, the vegetables, the dessert - and hit "puree" and then try to eat it, it wouldn't be nearly as appetizing. We mustn't try to be all the same. It would spoil what we have.

A few months ago, when I received this e-mail from you, I did access the web-sites that you included in your e-mail, and I read the MEChA manifesto. I read a letter that was written to a Jewish man who had e-mailed the Aztlan site, and at first reading the response of the "Voz de Aztlan" writer, I was angered at their anti-Jewish comments, but as I read on, I realized that they paled in comparison to the original hate-e-mail to which they responded. The original e-mailer (a Jewish man from New York) called the Mexican race "genetic garbage" and said many other generalistic atrocities that I will not repeat, but that can be read at the site.

I am not justifying the anti-semetic comments by the Voz de Aztlan writer, in any way. What I am trying to say is that both parties were wrong in making generalized statements about one group of people. That is what perpetuates prejudices. One group received a letter attacking their people, and unfortunately responded in kind. Perhaps if we weren't feeling the need to attack each other in the first place because of our differences, we could learn to appreciate our differences and enjoy the fact that they exist.

After reading the MEChA manifesto,it's clear to me, that you took excerpts, removed them from their context, and injected your own ideas, thus presenting them to everyone you sent them to, as factual information. This is pure propaganda, and it is not the way to "educate" people. In doing so, I feel that you have perpetuated the same type of hate mail that you were attempting to fight by sending out your anti-MEChA message. And with reference to your taking issue with the use of the word "demand" throughout the manifesto, I think it's necessary to remember that this group of people is trying to fight oppression, and it's not really possible to do so by asking politely "please stop oppressing our people." They are demanding education - primarily help within the university system to promote their people's job skills and education levels so that they can rise up and stand on their own feet and not depend on the welfare system, etc. I personally find this to be a noble goal, since many anglos complain about all the Mexicans coming to "our country" and living on welfare and government assistance. They are making demands of an oppressive society in order to pull themselves up from the grips of poverty. Isn't that the American dream?

I truly hope that you will reconsider your opinions about these people, or if not that, at least stop sending out such e-mails that are filled with propaganda and sentiments against a group of people, in order to cause others to feel threatened and scare them into harboring ill-will against a group of people.

Until we've walked a mile in the other man's shoes, we have no right to criticize him... and after all, we are all children of God and should feel love for each other, should we not?

Something to think about.

Aryn


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I will first post an e-mail I sent out to my list regarding an EXTREMIST Group called MEChA. Then I will post the "response" from my niece, a High School Teacher in Washington State.

It is a long post.. but it is an important one. I hope many of you will see the way liberals like my niece twist Martin Luther Kings dreams (I think he was more like the Thomas Sowells of the world, who feel that living in the past, holds people back, be they Indian, Black, or Mexican etc.)

I'm appalled at the condescending and patronizing tone of her e-mail. After all SHE HAS A MASTERS DEGREE!!!

She is 31, I'm not saying she has no right to her opinion but she is teaching our kids with this mindset.

I'm going to set up a hotmail account, where you can e-mail her and "correct" her idiotic statements, as I know only those here at FR can.

I ask anyone who finds this e-mail frightening in its ignorance, anyone who feels privledged to live in this great land to write her. All people of Indian, Hispanic, Black or Irish heritage to please respond to her.

I will view the e-mails before I forward them to her. (I will not forward hate mail, or threatening mail. I don't think that would serve her or us well.)

But I would like to see how people would respond to her and plan on forwarding the responses to her.

Please note at the end of her e-mail, how she acknowledges the HATE these people (MEChA) display against the Jews, and how easily she dismisses it.

Also note, how she tends to agree they should have California, Texas, and Arizona etc, back!!!!

UN believable!!!!!!!

Then she goes on to patronize more, by acting as though being aware of hate groups like MEChA (Who I liken to Extremist Muslims, not the average Muslim) is unChristian!!

I live in an extremely diverse community. We love our Hispanic, East Indian, Black and diverse neighbors. This community is extremely tolerant and peaceful. We are polite to each other, and friendly. We are neighbors. But according to my niece, unless you have a MASTERS DEGREE and speak fluent Spanish, you don't know what you are talking about.

I find this attitude of naivity extremely dangerous. What about you?

Here is the e-mail addy I just set up:

telltheteacher101@hotmail.com

Thanks all.

1 posted on 07/30/2002 12:50:58 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: summer; mhking; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; South40; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker
Teachers and Black Conservatives PING!!!! Please PLEASE Take the time to read my post..and help me to "educate" my niece, the HS Teacher!!

I'm insulted at her reference to our heritage as Indians. That we should continue to be ANGRY. I'm NOT!!! I am who I am today because I can empathize with those who suffered, but I've been extremely blessed to LIVE in America. BTW, She forgot to mention that we are also IRISH!! :o)

Please PING this to any who can respond to better than I could at:

telltheteacher101@hotmail.com

Thanks fellow Freepers!!!
2 posted on 07/30/2002 12:56:17 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: JohnHuang2; MeeknMing
This is what is being taught by a Spanish Teacher in our High Schools.. ALERT!!! Please PING this. We must stop this kind of idiotic thinking in our schools. I will be forwarding e-mails from this address to her:

telltheteacher101@hotmail.com
3 posted on 07/30/2002 12:58:09 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
This is like saying that EXTREMIST MUSLIMS have a right to their feelings. A bleeding heart liberal teachers views. Dangerous IMHO
4 posted on 07/30/2002 12:59:27 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Carry_Okie; *"NWO"; *Geopolitics; *gov_watch; M1991; cdwright; mbb bill; Zoey; kristinn; ...
MEChA Ping to those who KNOW this group!!
5 posted on 07/30/2002 1:00:50 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
MEChA ping!! Please ping this to people you know who are interested in this group. Thanks!!
6 posted on 07/30/2002 1:01:48 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Sabertooth; Joe Hadenuf; Tancredo Fan
The American Southwest is going to be "Big Kosovo" in 15 years.
7 posted on 07/30/2002 1:03:37 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Steve_Seattle; The_Reader_David; S.O.S121.500
MEChA Alert!!

Respond to telltheteacher101@hotmail.com
8 posted on 07/30/2002 1:03:57 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Travis McGee
You are so right Travis! I hate to admit this is my niece.. but it is. Perhaps we can "educate" her to the difference between sweet loving LEGAL American Hispanics and this radical group. We can try...
9 posted on 07/30/2002 1:05:22 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife; Dakmar; Brad's Gramma; homeschool mama; ArGee; EODGUY
As Jombie would say:

MEChA Lecka HI Lecka Hiney Ho!
10 posted on 07/30/2002 1:07:37 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: Francohio; pa_dweller
MEChA Alert!!

Respond to telltheteacher101@hotmail.com
11 posted on 07/30/2002 1:10:29 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Khepera
Thanks for the PING!! I know it is a lengthy exchange.. but boy what an eye opener to the thinking of "Teachers" who are a vital part of the liberal agenda.
12 posted on 07/30/2002 1:12:59 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: flamefront; Drill Alaska; healey22; lutine; Right_Makes_Might; wku man; sonofliberty2; ...
Mechista varmint alert.
13 posted on 07/30/2002 1:13:28 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: Brownie74; Regulator
Sorry if I've pinged anyone twice. I'm just trying to get the word out. I love my niece.. but this was a frightening reaction to an EXTREMIST Group!!
14 posted on 07/30/2002 1:14:22 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
We must remember that this southwestern part of "our" country - California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas, and part of Colorado - used to be another country - Mexico. We went to war with Mexico, and as a result of the signing of the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, we moved the border of Mexico to the Rio Grande, thus taking about 1/2 of their country for our own. We "won" it.
This is what happens when we don't teach history (or worse, teach the PC variant).

We paid for the land in question. We paid a total of $18 million dollars for the "Mexican Cession", $15 million directly to the government of Mexico and an additional $3 million of debt to American citizens was assumed. In addition, we paid $10 million for the "Gadsden Purchase", a small chunk of land that is now in southern Arizona and New Mexico. We overpaid for Gadsden because some felt that we had underpaid for the Cession...even though we paid even less for the Louisiana Purchase.

Oh yeah, we also did them the courtesy of giving back their national capital that we had captured in a war.

-Eric

15 posted on 07/30/2002 1:16:38 PM PDT by E Rocc
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Here's what I'd say: Mexico rebelled from the "legal" owners in Madrid. So Spain really owns the Southwest, right?

But Spain stole the land from the Indians, so it really belongs to them right? Along with all of North and South America?

But the many Indian tribes stole the land from each other for thousands of years, so which tribes should get it back?

Anyway, back to "Mexican ownership" (taken from Spain, taken from the Indians): Mexico only held ownership for about 15 years between when they took it from Spain and we took it from Mexico, and we have had it for almost 200 years now.

So who has the strongest claim? The USA (170 years until now), Mexico (15 years), Spain (300 years) or the many Indian tribes (length of control for each tribe unknown.)

16 posted on 07/30/2002 1:16:53 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Jethro Tull
You might find this exchange between my niece and I interesting. Please feel free to write to her via the e-mail addy I provided. She really needs an education in the difference between a group like this one, and the Hispanic people who LOVE America.

Thanks..here is the addy I set up for her, I will forward e-mails to her normal address.

telltheteacher101@hotmail.com
17 posted on 07/30/2002 1:18:02 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: E Rocc; maica; Freee-dame
This is what happens when we don't teach history (or worse, teach the PC variant).

Sad but true.

18 posted on 07/30/2002 1:18:50 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
The American Southwest is going to be "Big Kosovo" in 15 years.

I just wonder who the fedgov will see as the enemy.....

19 posted on 07/30/2002 1:19:26 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: E Rocc
I hope you wrote to her!! If not.. I really hope you will take the time to point out those facts in an e-mail!! If she writes anything back, I will post it in this thread.

I love her.. but I'm appalled that she is teaching our High School kids with this kind of liberal mindset.
20 posted on 07/30/2002 1:21:00 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Good question. Probably "the Serbs", (us).
21 posted on 07/30/2002 1:21:21 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
I may just have to post from this thread to her. I was just thinking, people may not want their e-mail addys given to her. I will see if she gets any e-mail responses..and if not.. I will copy from this thread and e-mail her. But somehow, she will be "enlightened". Can you believe she thinks this racially bigoted group is a bunch of "nice" people? She even admitted herself that they spoke ill of "Jews".

She admitted they want California, Arizona etc, all back.

How convienient to want a ready made Nation, infrastructures and all. It is people like my niece who have made it possible for this group to be on High School and College campuses!! I'm very disappointed.
22 posted on 07/30/2002 1:25:08 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Tancredo Fan
Thanks for the ping friend!
23 posted on 07/30/2002 1:25:48 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
What is this womans full name and where in Albany Oregon does she work?

EBUCK

24 posted on 07/30/2002 1:25:50 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
bttt
25 posted on 07/30/2002 1:30:20 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: rdb3; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; South40; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker; ...
Black conservative ping

If you want on (or off) of my black conservative ping list, please let me know via FREEPmail. (And no, you don't have to be black to be on the list!)

Extra warning: this is a high-volume ping list.

26 posted on 07/30/2002 1:30:46 PM PDT by mhking
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To: summer; clasquith
Please read this from a "fellow" teacher. I know its lengthy.. but I could use your help "educating" her.

If you can respond to this madness,.. please do. Thanks.. and PLEASE ping TEACHERS!!! PING anyone concerned with what they are teaching in our schools.
27 posted on 07/30/2002 1:31:02 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: EBUCK
Actually, she is in Washington State. At a High School. Scary huh?
28 posted on 07/30/2002 1:32:06 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Black Agnes
Thanks friend!!!
29 posted on 07/30/2002 1:32:58 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: mhking
Thanks SO MUCH!!! Amazing views from one who is teaching our kids huh?

It just amazes me that she seems to think we OWE anything more to Indians or hispanics. As a woman of Indian Heritage, I know how fortunate I've been to live in this country. I don't understand where she got this "poor me" attitude. My grandmother was never a whiner. Aryn herself has enjoyed an extensive education.

I'm afraid the LIBERAL professors got to her.

She was brainwashed.. and now she WILL BRAINWASH..and the cycle of abuse never ends!!
30 posted on 07/30/2002 1:36:50 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Thousands of neighboring aborigines hated the Aztecs for their enslavement and being carried off as human sacrifices. Their recruitment by Cortes was instrumental in the Aztec's defeat, and the destruction of their barbaric society.
31 posted on 07/30/2002 1:42:00 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug
There you have the treatment her neice will get. Nice people these Aztecs...invite them for dinner in fact! /sarcasm
32 posted on 07/30/2002 1:44:30 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
...and delighting in their diversity

So selective diversity is something we can delight in now? I thought the whole point of this celebrating diversity crap was to include all people. Would I get some sort of celebrating diversity award if I limited my celebrating to German, Irish, and Norwegian culture?

33 posted on 07/30/2002 1:46:28 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
...These people are serious.
34 posted on 07/30/2002 1:49:01 PM PDT by Consort
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To: stand watie
Hey, I see OK in this map. If they secede, can we?
35 posted on 07/30/2002 1:55:22 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: onedoug
Thousands of neighboring aborigines hated the Aztecs for their enslavement and being carried off as human sacrifices. Their recruitment by Cortes was instrumental in the Aztec's defeat, and the destruction of their barbaric society.

According to my niece, the poor barbarics have rights too, and now she feels that they deserve California, Arizona, Texas,..etc. Rich, huh? But she is so intelligent, and all knowing as far as the history of the Mexican people.

I'm hoping to provide her with a true "education". Perhaps it will stall her pushing this agenda on our youth.

36 posted on 07/30/2002 1:55:38 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Understanding that Chicana/Chicano attrition rates are high on all campuses

Doesn't take much to understanding the reasons for this.

37 posted on 07/30/2002 1:56:59 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
My dearest Aunt Maryann...

Can't we all just get along? Why can't we negotiate granting limited sovereignty to Aztlan (Southwestern United States)? Perhaps in the future they will want to secede from the United States (I don't like to use the term "America") but shouldn't that be a matter of self-determination for those living in the occupied territories of Aztlan? After all we stole the land from them and imposed a cruel regime upon those inhabitants. So calm down and let's all be reasonable. Granting limited sovereignty won't mean the loss of the Southwest....for now. But, hey, everything is negotiable, especially since the U.S.A. (I hate using the term "America") is in the wrong.

Your darling little Niece,

Barfyn.

38 posted on 07/30/2002 1:57:19 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Dakmar
I posted this to point out the many hypocrisies she states. You saw through them!!

This is the epitomy of the "liberal" agenda in our schools. She professes to be more knowledgable than I'am, yet she is so frighteningly naive regarding this group.

I love her.. but I find this alarming in that she teaches high schools kids. She is supporting this group. I found that extremely alarming.
39 posted on 07/30/2002 1:59:12 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Jimer
Your map on post 34 is EXACTLY what I read when visiting this groups websites.

Even more frightening, is all the campuses, from HS's to Colleges that they are on. Now we see this from a School teacher in a High School in Washington State. I find that VERY alarming, even though she is my own niece!!
40 posted on 07/30/2002 2:01:06 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: E Rocc
The Southwest USA when part of Mexico was very poorly administered. Actually, California was practically a nation of its own. As for Mexico, it was subject to the dictatorial whims of the likes of Santa Anna. Even many/most Mexicans living in the Southwest couldn't stand the Mexican government.
41 posted on 07/30/2002 2:01:28 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Jimer
The deal is that the MeCha folks want to negotiate "limited sovereignty" for Aztlan (Southwest USA) and make it sound oh so reasonable. It won't surprise me if they even try to get UN backing for this. And if the USA is ever so STUPID as to grant something called "limited sovereignty" to AZTLAN (SW USA), they will go for FULL sovereignty while making it again sound like the reasonable course with the usual propaganda about self-determination. This is no big secret. You can read it in their material.
42 posted on 07/30/2002 2:05:55 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
I'm glad to see someone else was as offended as we were by her remarks.

My husband and I both are just sickened by her arrogance, and ignorance.

I see you caught another part of it that we found very offensive. I mean How dare we call it America?!!! There are so many America's.. sheesh.. this young woman has a masters, and that makes her smarter than us?

While we all recognize the many continents of the america's.. our Pledge mentions America!! Next she will be advocating we get rid of the Pledge because it mentions "The United States of AMERICA". Or she will want us to re-write it to say "The United States which is one of the America's". I don't know.. I just know this whole e-mail was disgusting.
43 posted on 07/30/2002 2:08:36 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
The reason why Cortes was able to conquer Mexico with an incredibly small force of Spaniards is that the Aztecs antogonized the other Indian tribes so much that they joined forces with the Spanish to defeat the Aztecs.
44 posted on 07/30/2002 2:08:42 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
And after the turn the southwest into Nuevo Tijuana they'll be claiming that the Aztecs originally came from Ohio.
45 posted on 07/30/2002 2:08:58 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
For your family's sake, I hope that Aryn doesn't end up with the same fate as Lori Berenson.  Her tactics may be different but the long term agenda is quite similar.

IMO

46 posted on 07/30/2002 2:09:53 PM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: PJ-Comix
You can read it in their material.

Not if you're my niece. :o(

47 posted on 07/30/2002 2:11:20 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Is there any way to find out if your Niece is actually teaching this CRAP to her students? If so then she is guilty of misinformation. Oh, and do the PARENTS of her students know if she is teaching this Leftist garbage?

BTW, when I was in High School, one of my Spanish Teachers kept propagandizing us about how great Castro was. We kept asking her over and over, if it was so great there, why doesn't she move there. (She was that RARE Cuban in Florida who thought Castro was great). Well, she did move there. And guess what happened? She was tossed in prison for being a spy the last I heard. Apparently the communists could never believe that a Cuban living in the USA would voluntarily return to live in Communist Cuba....unless they were a spy.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

48 posted on 07/30/2002 2:16:17 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
Hmmm.. perhaps once I respond to her,.. if she STILL tries to defend this extremist group, I will find a newspaper that is local. Or better yet.. start a mailing campaign to her HS.
49 posted on 07/30/2002 2:19:39 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: PJ-Comix
Amazing story about the Castro lover returning to Cuba only to be jailed as a spy. I hope the story is all over the Net.
50 posted on 07/30/2002 2:20:49 PM PDT by PoisedWoman
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