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To: MeeknMing
Thanks friend. I'm going to go lay down for a bit. Be back later. I appreciate you trying to help me get the word out on this. I hated how she turned Martin Luther Kings words around too. He was a "forward" person,.. not a person to want to live in the past with hate. How she interprets him is not "true" to MLK's memory imho. Be back later. Dang I hate this illness!!!
57 posted on 07/30/2002 2:36:28 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Please tell your neice that chicanos living in 2002 were not displaced from their homes. Maybe their ancestors were, but not them. Plus, ask her why so many mexicans try to sneak into our great country every year at great personal peril if they'd rather live in Mexico. I think those mexicans who got stuck on this side of the Rio Grande after the war probably thanked their lucky stars that happened. I know I'm thankful my Irish ancestors caught the boat over.
62 posted on 07/30/2002 2:53:46 PM PDT by tell me
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Here is what is stated on the MeChA HOME PAGE about AZTLAN. Much different than the touchy-feely bilge presented by your niece:

The fundamental principles that led to the founding of Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán are found in El Plan de Santa Barbara (EPDSB). The Manifesto of EPDSB sees self-determination for the Chicana and Chicano Chicano and Chicana Movement in El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán (EPEDA). A synopsis of El Plan stipulates: 1) We are Chicanos and Chicanas of Aztlán reclaiming the land of out birth (Chicano and Chicana Nation); 2) Aztlán belongs to indigenous people, who are sovereign and not subject to a foreign culture; 3) We are a union of free pueblos forming a bronze nation; 4) Chicano and Chicana nationalism, as the key in mobilization and organization, is the common denominator to bring consensus to the Chicano and Chicana Movement...

Here is another "goodie" from the MeChA website:

In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal "gringo" invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlán from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.

We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlán belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent.

And, finally, these "goodies:"

5. Economic program to drive the exploiter out of our community and a welding together of our people's combined resources to control their own production through cooperative effort.

6. Creation of an independent local, regional, and national political party.

A nation autonomous and free - culturally, socially, economically, and politically- will make its own decisions on the usage of our lands, the taxation of our goods, the utilization of our bodies for war, the determination of justice (reward and punishment), and the profit of our sweat.

El Plan de Aztlán is the plan of liberation!

Bottom Line: Your clueless niece can spin all she wants but it is plain from MeChA's own website what they plan to do with "Aztlan" and they know WHERE it is (Southwest USA).

63 posted on 07/30/2002 2:56:35 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Most of 'Aztlan' was occupied by various Native American tribes. Apache, Navajo, Commanche, Ute...One reason the Mexicans were never successful at 'colonizing' this area was the presence of these hostile tribes. Commanche is Ute Indian for 'he who is always trying to kill me' in fact. (maybe these hostile tribes chased out the Raza people in the first place?) So successful were these tribes that I've read that only about 60,000 'spanish' people lived in the whole territory when we got it. Hardly the millions that now claim ownership.
64 posted on 07/30/2002 2:57:19 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Darn that underlining thing. This is what I was trying to say:

What's a pity is that none of these "identity and self-determination" champions have the slightest awareness of or interest in individual self-determination or identity. There is no identity as an individual, there is only ethnic identity. Sort of like class identity, as father Karl might like. Could all this "ethnic" business just be a ... red... herring?

65 posted on 07/30/2002 3:00:32 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Totally agree with her. MEChA is CONTRARY to what Martin Luther King believed, yet she supports them. What's up with that?
119 posted on 07/31/2002 12:02:53 PM PDT by Green Knight
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