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To: Zon
It appears that you contend that coercive laws create a greater deterrent to crime than a person's conscience/moral-compass.

Not laws, consequences. You can have consequences without laws.

Following your logic if there was an easy way to hide dead bodies leaving no trace back to the murderer then there would be as many murderers as people that smoke pot.

You betcha. Examples? Sierra Leone, Rwanda, Buchenwald, etc, etc.

Eventually people would start taking countermeasures.

Your obfuscation is duly noted. To the criminal a cop is the holy man in which the criminal finds safety compared to being confronted by an armed citizen with a north-pointing moral compass. I also suggest you brush up on your reading comprehension. Note the words above in bold. They are: "by comparison". I'll reword. The violent criminal fears an armed citizen far more than he fears a law enforcement officer that enforces the laws. Also, I referred to LEOs in general, not specific police organizations or specific militia as you so disingenuously tried to change the context. Or perhaps it was just an innocent mistake you made. Either way it's your problem, not mine. My statement which was a general statement holds valid and is backed up by studies of violent criminals in prison.

The Russian militia are LEO's. In what time period and in what nations was this study conducted?

138 posted on 08/02/2002 2:19:51 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235

Zon: Each person's moral compass points north. North being the right to their own life and by extension, right to their own property. That's why by comparison there is a much smaller ratio of violent crimes and fraud than crimes of vice. 86

Poppycock. There are fewer violent crimes because they are harder to conceal. Corpses are far more conspicious than bad checks. 89

Zon: Following your logic if there was an easy way to hide dead bodies leaving no trace back to the murderer then there would be as many murderers as people that smoke pot. 127

You betcha. Examples? Sierra Leone, Rwanda, Buchenwald, etc, etc.

Perhaps you don't live in the United States. I was making reference only to United States -- a first world developed country. What is your point of using third world examples run by some of the worst governments in the world -- the opposite of U.S. governments?

The Russian militia are LEO's. In what time period and in what nations was this study conducted?

The study was conducted in United States prisons during the 1990s. BTW,  you injected Russian militia into the discussion -- do you have a problem with me repeating your words? I don't live in Russia and I'm not discussing the plight of Russians. I live in the United States and I'm discussing the plight of U.S. citizens.

161 posted on 08/02/2002 5:48:38 PM PDT by Zon
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