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Man wins injunction on woman's abortion
Washington Times ^ | 8/05/02 | Joann Loviglio, AP

Posted on 08/04/2002 10:48:54 PM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:56:04 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: cherry
however, in no way should anybody but the mom have a say over her body and what is going on in her body...

That's absurd. The child has two parents. The mom engaged voluntarily in the act which brought about THEIR child. If she's so selfish she doesn't want it, so be it. Then deliver it and give it to the father to raise. No one (including the mom) should have the right to murder someone's (the father's) child.

41 posted on 08/05/2002 7:44:57 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: SarahW
It is settled law that the only parties with a say in the first trimester of pregnancy is the woman, in consultation with a doctor. She alone bears the physical risks of pregnancy. She decides whether the physical risks are worth the benefits. Custody and support are irrelevent questions to the right to decide whether she ends a pregnancy or attempts to bring it to term. If the father or accepts all of the financial or custodial burdens, it does not end the pregnancy or any of its physical burdens or risks to her.

Sarah, Sarah. How cold and cruel and heartless you are. The lady (well, not the best word) engaged willingly in the act which brought about this life. That life is the doing of two people, the mother and father. The baby is as much the father's as it is the mother's. If this woman is so selfish as to murder her child, and the man wants to raise it, then save a life (and it's wonderful potential in this world) and let the man raise it. You rely on some immoral and disgusting law for your argument. A real woman, a real mother, a real person, would allow that baby to live and to grow and to be loved by the father. This woman is a selfish disgrace to humanity.

42 posted on 08/05/2002 7:49:50 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Tao Yin; SarahW
The judge has not overstepped the law. I would like to see this go to the Supreme Court. And why not?

It should go to the Supreme Court. A woman should not have the right to murder the child of a man who wants to love and care for that child.

43 posted on 08/05/2002 7:51:45 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: SarahW
But this judge is ignoring it. He should be disciplined.

The judge is standing up for moral right. He should be lauded. Hide, Sarah, in the perverse immoral law you so cherish. Certainly, that law is more important to you than the life of this child and the love of the father. What does that say about you?

44 posted on 08/05/2002 7:54:23 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Khepera
Thanks for heads up!
45 posted on 08/05/2002 7:54:41 AM PDT by JMJ333
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To: glory
My husband has a friend whose fiancee(at the time) aborted thier baby--probably 15 years ago. He still has regrets(he supported *HER* decision at the time) especially when he is around our children.

How could anyone not have regrets after having murdered ones child?

46 posted on 08/05/2002 7:55:59 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: SarahW
You obviously have no clue. First trimester abortion is not risk free, but it is much less risky than allowing a pregnancy to continue. Properly done, it is VERY safe for the mother.

I know about cases of mother's death following "legal safe abortion", about cases of infertility and about cases of woman becoming psychotic. Also there is a statistically significant increase of breast cancer.

47 posted on 08/05/2002 7:59:23 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: nightdriver
When are they going to address the aspect of DNA of the baby being different, thereby proving that it is NOT just more of the body of the woman?

When they start to care about God's beautiful creations on this Earth.

48 posted on 08/05/2002 8:00:25 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Doctor Stochastic; Sarah
The headline could read: Man Forces Woman to Bear his Child.

No. It should read: Father Keeps Mother from Murdering Their Child

49 posted on 08/05/2002 8:05:48 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: MeeknMing; All
Warning, the judge's decision may be more complicated that the spin being given ...from the article:

John Stachokus says he is willing to take full or partial custody of the child and claims in his lawsuit that Ms. Meyers is being pressured by her mother to have the procedure.

The pressure by the mother may indicate that the woman is not making a free choice and that the man's "rights" might have nothing to do with his injunction.

50 posted on 08/05/2002 8:05:53 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: kattracks
Ok. Lets assume she has the right of choice. She is still liable for a civil suit.
51 posted on 08/05/2002 8:08:46 AM PDT by mindprism.com
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To: SarahW
She alone bears the physical risks of pregnancy. She decides whether the physical risks are worth the benefits.

Children play with matches, I alone bear the risk of my child burning down my house, therefore I have the right to abandon my child in the dead of winter.

52 posted on 08/05/2002 8:14:31 AM PDT by mindprism.com
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To: kattracks
Maybe someone here can help me understand this. Its a womans body, if she choses to have an abortion, she can regardless of the fathers opinion, if he wants the child, if he wants to support it, all of this is moot if she wants an abortion, right? but if he wants her to have an abortion and she refuses, he would still have to pay child custody and pay for support, his opinion doesn't matter if she wants an abortion or not, but his wallet is more important if she choses not to? How does the law work here exactley where he has no say in his offspring, his child, but the woman has every right? Bear in Mind that an unborn child (or as child murdererers call them, "fetus") are not KIDNEYS OR LIVERS OR ANY OTHER INTERNAL ORGAN!!!!!
53 posted on 08/05/2002 8:16:07 AM PDT by Sonny M
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To: SarahW
Suction curettage, for example, is less risky than the C-section I had for my last pregnancy.

You should see what it does to the baby though.

I have AS too. Have you tried Remicade or Enbrel yet? They've done wonders for me. You also might want to check out the Mass Eye and Ear website if you have problems with chronic iritis. Chronic inflammation or chronic treatment with steroids can lead to permanent vision loss. I almost lost sight in one eye from a misdiagnosis. Most ophthalmologists don't want to tackle iritis cases associated with underlying autoimmune diseases.

54 posted on 08/05/2002 8:16:20 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: cherry
This woman had two rights and choices before conception: TO JUST SAY NO before having sexual relations and to accept the risk of failed birth control.

A woman's "right" ends when another life begins needs to be protected -- especially perhaps her only child's!!

Hooray for the Judge and blessings to her Dad who is willing to fight in public for his child's right to life.
55 posted on 08/05/2002 8:22:50 AM PDT by victim soul
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To: victim soul
This woman had two rights and choices before conception: TO JUST SAY NO before having sexual relations and to accept the risk of failed birth control. A woman's "right" ends when another life begins needs to be protected

Exactly.

56 posted on 08/05/2002 8:23:55 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: VRWC_minion
John Stachokus says he is willing to take full or partial custody of the child and claims in his lawsuit that Ms. Meyers is being pressured by her mother to have the procedure.

I used to do a prayer vigil in front of Planned Infanticide in Brookline pretty regularly. On Saturdays it seemed that about half of the girls were literally being pulled in by their mothers.

Imagine the 18 year old girl who has to live with the fact that she just killed her baby and the fact that her mother was so "happy" with giving birth to her that her mother wants her to kill her baby. God help us.

57 posted on 08/05/2002 8:27:30 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
. On Saturdays it seemed that about half of the girls were literally being pulled in by their mothers.

Let me guess. Were the other half were pulled in by school guidance counselors without mom's knowledge ?

58 posted on 08/05/2002 8:34:30 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: SarahW
First trimester abortion is not risk free, but it is much less risky than allowing a pregnancy to continue. Properly done, it is VERY safe for the mother.

Yeah, safe for the mother. Which is nice if you don't mind the fact that half of the abortionist's patients never leave the clinic alive.

59 posted on 08/05/2002 8:39:20 AM PDT by Sloth
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To: VRWC_minion
Let me guess. Were the other half were pulled in by school guidance counselors without mom's knowledge ?

They didn't say.

Everyone should do a vigil at least once in their lives. You'd be amazed at the stuff that is never shown on TV. One thing that isn't shown is the handful of pro-abortion freaks that usually shows up. And "freaks" is being kind.

They're the black leather, purple hair crowd. Usually they swear or play death-metal full blast on their boom boxes. Taking a stand for Satan I guess.

The freakiest of them all though were the Satanists at a pro-life march in Boston. There were around 15 of them. They all looked like they hadn't bathed in a week. Same black outfits, but these guys carried signs like (I'm not making this up) "Kill Jesus," "Eat babies," and other obscenities. Another group was waving around a 20 foot inflatable penis in front of a group of nuns. I think they were the "pro-choice" gang from the local taxpayer subsidized "art" school. Funny how that stuff never makes the papers though. It would make for great TV.

60 posted on 08/05/2002 9:04:10 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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