Posted on 08/06/2002 4:25:53 AM PDT by SJackson
Edited on 04/22/2004 11:46:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
You are just plain ignorant. Conversions are quite easy for those who sincerely want to be Jewish. They are only difficult if you don't really care about/believe in the religion. I personally know 2 people who've converted, and neither said that it was difficult. I know of many more (through relatives and friends) who've converted that would say the same thing.
FYI, the reason that Jewish heritage is largely genetic is that it was, for nearly all of the last 2,000 years, no great honor in the eyes of the rest of the world to be Jewish. Countless beatings, asset seizures, pogroms, massacres, an Inquisition and a Holocaust, as well as the denial of educational, professional and investing opportunities, have made it difficult (to say the least) to be Jewish. Many who were born Jewish took the easy (or necessary) way out and converted to Christianity or Islam, and very few went the other way. If the "playing field" had been even somewhat level, many more people would have converted to Judaism in centuries past.
Show me a single person who ever converted to the "Aryan" race, and I'll eat my words.
This is absolutely untrue. Either you have no knowledge of Judaism, or you wish to muddy the waters. An "Aryan" applies to racial makeup and is racist. A Jew is anyone who wishes to be a Jew. A person of any race can be a Jew. We have black Jews, Chinese Jews, Hispanic Jews, white European Jews, etc. Furthermore, though Israel calls itself a Jewish state, the laws are not different for people who are not Jewish. In Hitler's Germany -- from which your Aryan reference comes -- there were special laws for Jews (Nuremburg laws, passed in 1935) that took away many of the rights "Aryan Germans" had.
1) look at the title of the Thread...
2) Look at your, Jews are bad because they want a Jewish Nation with Jews in it.
3) Find the missing link.
If you find the link, then you will understand? Here is a hint: As in what the heck does Palestinians celebrating in the streets when Americans die have to do with your viewpoint of how horrible Jews are for their immigration laws? The only common thing is that..., you hate jews and could not bear to let an entire moment go by for you to try to pick a fight with them. As in, you think Jews need to follow the mothers blood lines because you think their sexual practices leave something to be desired. As in :
Isn't it true that Israel defines itself as 'the Jewish State'?
As in isn't true that America defines itself as 'the American State'? So?
The idea of the 'Jewish State' is a lot more radical than, let's say, calling the U.S. a 'Christian nation'. It's more like having the U.S. define itself as an 'Aryan nation'.
Why it is almost as radical as Americans calling their State AMERICAN! Wowwza! I am sure all the marxists are offended!
Here you assume a Jewish state is religious, even though 80% of Jews are not, so you can call it radical, which it is not, like America being the Christian (which it was, but since athiest's now control the state its illegal) State (way over 20% Christian too!), only to choose a non-religious hate group to compare it to! So you pick religion when it is a slight, and pick secular when it is a greater slight. Well, you are doubly wrong. 80% wrong, and your whole premise is crap because of it.
There would still be 'minorities' in the U.S., of course. They could even be U.S. citizens, the same way Israel allows a number of Arabs to remain Israeli citizens for as long as the Arabas remain a minority but there would be very strict immigration controls and some board would decide which candidate immigrant was truly white and therefore qualifying for admission in the U.S. So now, we can take your wrong premise, and build on it in some bigoted sick fantasy of what this Imaginary Israel is. For example, your white fantasy garbage. Apples and oranges, or in your case turds and cowflops. Israeli's are every color there is, they come from around the world. Any kind of racism that you proscribe by skin color is from your own mind, which at this point of the thread is getting to be pretty obvious. In fact the greatist racial group in Israel is (hold your seat) Middle Eastern at 43%.
Where have we gone so far, religion bashing, first Israeli, then Christian, then skin color bashing, then we wander into some Big Brother controls all Arabs fantasy crapola. At this point I feel like I need a shower...
I believe Israel has such a mechanism to determine whether someone is a true Jew and therefore entitled to enter the country.
No, no such skin color judgement, racial quota crap is in Israel, just in America. In America what color your skin is counts, in America how many of each color is in each job counts. In Israel zip, nada.
Yes, Israel wants Jews to return. And as they give out large ammounts of social security to those who come, they do not want every immigrant in the world to come in say Jew for a day" and walk out with a free ticket. Unlike the United States where my Social Security I can not begin to touch till I am 65, unless I am hispanic, or black, "underprivilidged", a drug addict or pregnant from outside the US. Then it is for free. I know a 40 year old drug dealer that has retired on SS cause he was an addict and therefore has a disease. He has a bad back too... He makes spending money splitting firewood and selling it and dealing pot on the side.
Get a life guy. Learn about those who you choose to hate, you might find out that you are worse then them. This thread is not about Your Jewish are bigots, and discriminatory, and non married sex fantasys, it is about Palestininan block parties.
To come into a thread sideways and off topic to spew false slander about a minority race while calling that race bigots is pretty hypocritical. But don't let that stop you...
Contrast this to Arab states and the mooted Palestinian state, which are or will be, by law, judenfrei.
Then in 10 you cite a source:
4A. (a) The rights of a Jew under this Law and the rights of an oleh under the Nationality Law, 5712-1952***, as well as the rights of an oleh under any other enactment, are also vested in a child and a grandchild of a Jew, the spouse of a Jew, the spouse of a child of a Jew and the spouse of a grandchild of a Jew, except for a person who has been a Jew and has voluntarily changed his religion. (b) It shall be immaterial whether or not a Jew by whose right a right under subsection (a) is claimed is still alive and whether or not he has immigrated to Israel.
Then you come back and say If you examine the 'Law of Return' that I posted, a Jew is someone who's mother was a Jew. Conversions are anything from very difficult to nearly-impossible. The basis for Jewishness is largely genetic - same as that of 'Arian-ness'.
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Aside from the nonsense about conversions (which aren’t difficult, but irrelevant since lots of immigrants aren’t Jewish, and don’t convert), did you bother to read your source or just assume it confirmed your erroneous views and post it?
Contrast this to Arab states and the mooted Palestinian state
Dare I say contrast it with a non-US citizen with an American spouse vs one without on?
Nasty immigration laws here in the US.
You're clearly not the only one.
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