We recently had a reunion, and I asked the band directors who came if the band was still any good. Both said "sure, sure, at least to the degree we still have tools to work with".
What they meant was, they no longer could keep disipline with things like paddles, or yelling, or intimidation. The fact that this was mentioned by both of them (who now live in different states), during different conversations, means that the rules have significantly changed.
I can only imagine what its like trying to keep a room of 100 kids with noisy band instruments all in line and playing together without being able to get in their faces.
I shudder to think what my once excellent school choir has become.
Excellence, discipline, they really do go together.