1 posted on
08/08/2002 1:31:40 PM PDT by
frmrda
To: frmrda
The change happened when it was moved from Latest Headlines to Politics. Maybe their political editor did it.
To: frmrda
That is the word liberals want used now and you know who controls the media, yep the lberals!
3 posted on
08/08/2002 1:47:02 PM PDT by
TLBSHOW
To: frmrda
using the left wing's preferred word "Progressive" b/c the word "Liberal" has such a negative connotation,..I understand what you mean and I am on your side, but I think we can trap the Left in their own manure by labeling them "Progressive". Progressive has such an "Orwellian Newspeak" sound, that I believe the publics subconscience will pick up on it.
4 posted on
08/08/2002 1:50:05 PM PDT by
elbucko
To: frmrda
"Liberal" used to refer to the belief in individual liberty, private property, and limited government. Then the socialists stole our name.
It would be nice if the socialists would just call themselves what they are, but if they at least start calling themselves "progressive", maybe we could get "liberal" away from them. Send it to the dry cleaners, let it air for a couple of decades. Soak it in some de-greaser. A little disinfectant.
Of course, its a little like buying a used mattess. You get it home, then you're afraid to sleep on it. You don't know where its been...
7 posted on
08/08/2002 2:00:05 PM PDT by
marron
To: frmrda
Because "scum-sucking statists" is too accurate?
8 posted on
08/08/2002 2:18:41 PM PDT by
dead
To: frmrda
Use "progressive" as much as possible. The term deserves to develop the same stygma as "liberal" has.
To: frmrda
How did everything get so turned around. The Liberals, now progressives, are actually for loss of rights and control and the conservatives are the ones with the truely radical idea that we should be free.
15 posted on
08/08/2002 2:33:38 PM PDT by
BJungNan
To: frmrda
Perhaps this is because what are called "liberals" today aren't really liberals. Thomas Jefferson was a liberal; Ted Kennedy is not. Ted Kennedy is a progressive; and a progressive is a socialist in a nice suit.
21 posted on
08/08/2002 2:53:54 PM PDT by
Redcloak
To: frmrda
All of the so-called "progressive" ideas have already been tried, and they all failed, last century.
"Progressive" is about the last thing one could call a left-winger.
To: frmrda
Of course headlines are written by different people than write the story, so some liberal headline writer probably prefers progressive.
The funny thing is that the term Progressive originally goes back to Marxixt-Leninist ideology. You see Communists used to decry "bourgeios liberalism" as an upper and middle class decadence. So when they made an allience with "moderate" leftists they always called them "progressives", meaning that even though they were not real communists they were aiding the "inevitable progress" toward true communism. Of course if/when the communists took over the "progressives" became "bourgeios liberals" again and were dealt with as counter-revolutionaries. In one of Lenin's more honest moments he simply referred to them as "useful idiots".
30 posted on
08/08/2002 4:38:52 PM PDT by
Hugin
To: frmrda
...b/c the word "Liberal" has such a negative connotation, as well it should.
To be honest, today's "conservative" is really a liberal in the classical sense of the word (representative government, free-market system, the individual over the collective, etc.). This is just another word that they have co-opted.
31 posted on
08/08/2002 4:41:07 PM PDT by
rdb3
To: frmrda
I call them Bolsheviks.
32 posted on
08/08/2002 4:47:08 PM PDT by
Barnacle
To: frmrda
Check out the website of the "Progressive Caucus" - members of the House of Representatives that, even before you look, you will be correct if you guess that the list includes all the 'worst' representatives of the people.
http://bernie.house.gov/pc/members.asp
To paraphrase my grandmother: "I can remember when 'Liberal' was a nice word."
Progressive is much closer to Marxism and true liberalism is closer to libertarian principles. I agree with FOX. Let's use Progressive and turn it into a pejorative!
34 posted on
08/08/2002 6:01:23 PM PDT by
maica
To: frmrda
Fox News, all of it has become redundant in the extreme. The news coming from them is more like Parade Magazine in context. Nothing too serious and giving too much air time to the dregs of life and sensationalizing trivia. Where are the real crimes of the day like the Credit Card scandal ongoing within our government, a far worse crime than EXON or the Global Crossing etc?
I am tired of the racist, gay/liberal whiners coming on to expound their assumed grievances. Who are the employees in the IRS, Education, EPA, and all the other departments larded with unqualified federal employees? Why aren't the Daschle's, Linda and Tom called on the carpet for not telling, as they are required to do, how much money they are making off the government? I can think of dozens of areas where Fox is treading lightly if at all. This is not what they advertise...hard hitting and fair news.
38 posted on
08/09/2002 8:53:19 AM PDT by
yoe
To: frmrda
I've done this before. Here's the Merriam Webster On-Line definition for "liberalism:"
Main Entry: lib·er·al·ism
Pronunciation: 'li-b(&-)r&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
Date: 1819
1 : the quality or state of being liberal
2 a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity b : a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties
Note 2B. I suspect most of us here on FR are liberals :-)
42 posted on
08/09/2002 12:14:32 PM PDT by
Tribune7
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