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To: grumpster-dumpster
We are not talking about dialogue, we are simply saying the reason for the problem is militant Islam. That comes from hate preaching, and funding of Islamic radicalism. If you do not understand that simple fact, then you can be killing and bombing individuals forever. Just look at Israel, every day some idiot blows himself up. Israel goes and destroys his parents house, and so on. Israel should deal with the root-cause, and so are we. Radical Islam is the reason. The US helped establish radical Islam during the CIA push into Afghanistan, and Bosnia. Also Israel helped start radical Islam in Hamas to counter balance Arafat. Now that both Israel and the US learned not to mess with faith as a source for militant movements, let us simply try to fix those stupid mistakes.
8 posted on 08/09/2002 8:48:22 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
"The US helped establish radical Islam during the CIA push into Afghanistan, and Bosnia. Also Israel helped start radical Islam in Hamas to counter balance Arafat. Now that both Israel and the US learned not to mess with faith as a source for militant movements, let us simply try to fix those stupid mistakes."

I'm so glad the U.S.A. established the concept of "jihadd" ...here I was thinking it was an Islamic invention.

I agree radical Islam is the problem. But it's been a problem since the Crusades of the middle-ages. The solution is to contain the threat.

We disagree on the course of action. I simply do not believe that replacing one propaganda system with another is a viable solution.

Chrisitanity is superior to Islam for many reasons, aside from the completeness of it's truths. One reason is that throughout the history of Christianity there has been an active dialog and sincere questioning of what is true and what is not. Islam has no such history. There is no serious debate about what is truthful and what is not. Clerics (imperfect men) determine what the populace will believe. Independent thought regarding a persons relationship to his Almighty Creator is forbidden. Good intentions will not change that.

Only through a comitted and just use of reasonable force can we hope to open-up Islam to the idea that we can become closer to God by questioning those dictates that keep us in servitude to a corrupt philosophy.

Let me put it this way: I am closer to the Holy Trinity today, because of the efforts of some great thinkers who dared to question the written word... and in so doing discovered undenialble truths. (I'm thinking of the "Great-Debates" of past ages where clerics gathered to examine the teachings of Scripture).

No, the secret to distroying Islam is to expose it to the Lamp of God and allow free-thinking men (and women) the chance to fully examine it's total decay. We only have the option of using tools that are effective to get their attention.

P.S. The bet explanation can be found in the words to "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" ...(which I can't seem to stop humming). LOL!

9 posted on 08/09/2002 9:19:26 AM PDT by grumpster-dumpster
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To: philosofy123
"Israel should deal with the root-cause, and so are we. Radical Islam is the reason. The US helped establish radical Islam during the CIA push into Afghanistan, and Bosnia. Also Israel helped start radical Islam in Hamas to counter balance Arafat. Now that both Israel and the US learned not to mess with faith as a source for militant movements, let us simply try to fix those stupid mistakes"

Please calm yourself. There was no CIA or United States, and Israel had not yet been reborn when radical Islam was "invented." A guy named Muhammad did that in 670 AD, when he invented Islam itself.

If you are referring to the Wahhbists of Saud...again, there was no CIA, and Israel had not been reborn at the time Wahabbism was invented, though there WAS a United States. Wahhabism became popular in the late noneteenth century, and it is responsible for the bloody coup - caused by Islamic extremists, NOT the CIA or Israel - which gave rise to the House of Saud.

12 posted on 08/09/2002 10:27:05 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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