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New Microsoft contract orders PC manufacturers to stop selling hardware without operating system
Slashdot.org ^ | August 10, 2002

Posted on 08/10/2002 10:30:07 AM PDT by HAL9000

Dell No Longer Selling Systems w/o Microsoft OS

Posted by CmdrTaco on Saturday August 10, @01:17PM
from the yer-bringing-me-down-man dept.

Some Sys Admin sent in an email that he got from Dell which basically says Microsoft will no longer allow Dell to sell PCs without an operating system. Please note that Microsoft is not a monopoly, and does not use their monopoly power to squish competition in the market place. The message itself is attached below, and is worth a read, especially the last bit.

UPDATES

1. Effective 8/26 - New Microsoft contract rules stipulate that we can no longer offer the "NO OS" option to our customers beyond September 1st. As such all customers currently purchasing a "NO OS" option on either OptiPlex, Precison or Latitude for the express purpose of loading a non-MS OS will have the following options:

1. Purchase a Microsoft OS with each OptiPlex, Precision or Latitude system.

2. For OptiPlex and Precision - purchase one of the new "nSeries" products (offered for GX260, WS340 & WS530 - details in the attached FAQ) that are being created to address a different OS support requirement other than a current standard Microsoft OS.

We must have all "No OS" orders shipped out of the factory by September 1st. The "No OS" legend code and SKUs will be I-coded on 8/19 and D-coded on August 26th to ensure shipment of orders prior to September 1st. FYI - this effects all of our competitors as well.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Technical
KEYWORDS: computers; dell; microsoft; monopoly; pc; techindex; windows
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1 posted on 08/10/2002 10:30:07 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
What about a Linux option? This is kind of silly for a company in court for monopolistic practices, but it may be good for the smaller independant PC maker who may be able to skirt Microsofts non-monopolistic policies.
2 posted on 08/10/2002 10:34:10 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: HAL9000
Don't buy Dell: they are anti-gun. Remember the Jack Weigand incident.

I recommend Alienware or Falcon Northwest.

--Boris

3 posted on 08/10/2002 10:35:05 AM PDT by boris
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To: HAL9000
Microsoft's new slogan: "We are not a monopoly, we just act like one!"
4 posted on 08/10/2002 10:35:21 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: HAL9000
New Microsoft contract rules stipulate that we can no longer offer the "NO OS" option to our customers beyond September 1st... FYI - this effects all of our competitors as well.

Why don't the OEMs get together and tell Microsoft to get stuffed?

5 posted on 08/10/2002 10:51:18 AM PDT by TechJunkYard
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To: boris
I recommend build your own :)
6 posted on 08/10/2002 10:52:36 AM PDT by ECM
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To: HAL9000
OK-- this is not my area of knowledge, so I have a question. The email mentions 3 particular lines of computers. How does MS have the authority to require Dell to sell their OS on these machines?
7 posted on 08/10/2002 10:57:26 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: HAL9000
This may be a violation of the prior antitrust settlement.
8 posted on 08/10/2002 10:57:44 AM PDT by Thud
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To: boris
I checked them out and both vendors force you to buy XP.
9 posted on 08/10/2002 10:58:35 AM PDT by palmer
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To: boris
Don't buy Dell: they are anti-gun. Remember the Jack Weigand incident.

I thought Dell did a good job apologizing for that incident and going the extra mile to try and make ammends for it.

10 posted on 08/10/2002 11:04:33 AM PDT by krb
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To: HAL9000
The first thing I do when I buy a computer (when I don't build my own) is wipe the hard drive completely clean. Then I do a clean install of Windows. This gets rid of all the crap that comes with a store-bought PC that you will never use and bogs your system down. For those who wish to install Linux or some other non-Microsoft OS, it can be done easily enough. Just wipe the hard drive clean and install whatever you want.
11 posted on 08/10/2002 11:10:28 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: boris
Don't buy Dell: they are anti-gun. Remember the Jack Weigand incident.

That particular incident was a bureaucratic screwup, which Dell offered to make good. If it was an isolated incident, I wouldn't hold it against Dell, which has been very good to me, as far as support goes.

Or at least, Dell support was very good until they farmed out ALL their phone support to India. I guess it's that "no American wants to do this job" thing.

Aside from the aggravation of a time lag as the call goes up and down the sattelite link, their techs have only a FAIR grasp of English. They are also lacking in any real PC troubleshooting skills. They follow a written script, and demand you follow it, too.

I recently spent three hours determining that a Dell desktop couldn't see the CD drive, and could not install the proper drivers for the hard drive, either. That told me it was bade IDE electronics on the motherboard. We have over 5000 Dells where I work, so I know a thing or two about them.

I spent an agonizing hour on the phone the first time, only to have a new CD drive sent to me that did not fix the problem. The tech in India would not give me one minute to explain my reasoning to him. I suspect it would have gone over his head, anyway.

The next call to India was TWO hours long. After making me connect and disconnect stuff (and insisting I put the phone next to the computer so they could hear me working), they ran out of excuses, and ordered me a new motherboard, which arrived the next day, and fixed the problem.

I don't know how much money Dell thinks they saved by wasting three hours of my time and the tech's time, but it can't be trivial, even for India. When they had American techs, I could at least make small talk with them, which made things go easier. There wasn't enough common culturally between me and the Indian techs to even attempt that. And their technical level was inadequate.

Dealing with Dell's American tech support was never fun, but at least it went smoothly, and reasonably quickly. I didn't have to dread calling.

Now the aggravation level goes sky-high in dealing with their Indian techs. And all because "no American wants to do that job". At least not for $1.25 per hour, which is what techs make in India. I've always liked Dell hardware, at least in their business models. The home systems are a different matter. But I will be very reluctant to spend another dime with Dell after they've cheapened their support.

12 posted on 08/10/2002 11:12:52 AM PDT by 300winmag
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To: SamAdams76
That's right. One of the most underutilized and best utilities MS wrote was FDisk. BTW, I've really enjoyed a lot of your posts the last few days, even if I might quibble with some.
13 posted on 08/10/2002 11:13:55 AM PDT by jammer
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To: jammer
Why thank you, and please feel free to quibble with my posts as as you deem appropriate. I have had my position changed on issues plenty of times here because of well-reasoned posts by others.
14 posted on 08/10/2002 11:18:06 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: *tech_index; Ernest_at_the_Beach
I like Gateway.
15 posted on 08/10/2002 11:18:18 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: SamAdams76
... wipe the hard drive completely clean. Then I do a clean install of Windows.

Smart move.

16 posted on 08/10/2002 11:20:25 AM PDT by ken in texas
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To: SamAdams76
For those who wish to install Linux or some other non-Microsoft OS, it can be done easily enough. Just wipe the hard drive clean and install whatever you want.

But the point is these people do not want to buy Windows just to wipe it clean. They would prefer a Dell with out paying for Windows. I think Dell should stand up to Microsoft but if not there are pleanty of other box assemblers, I mean "manufactures".

17 posted on 08/10/2002 11:23:56 AM PDT by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: HAL9000
We must have all "No OS" orders shipped out of the factory by September 1st. The "No OS" legend code and SKUs will be I-coded on 8/19 and D-coded on August 26th to ensure shipment of orders prior to September 1st. FYI - this effects all of our competitors as well.

This could be a hoax or a troll.

Let's try it again:

FYI - this AFFECTS all of our competitors as well.

18 posted on 08/10/2002 11:28:02 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: SamAdams76
By the way I do the same thing as you, wipe the disk clean at first. It not only gives the advatages you mentioned but it assures you know how to install all the necessary drivers. If you get stuck customer support will easily help you with your new computer. If you first do this a few years later it might be more risky in terms of getting support.
19 posted on 08/10/2002 11:28:22 AM PDT by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: ECM
I recommend build your own :)

It's not even hard to do. In fact, if the average consumer ever figured out how simple it was, Dell would go under within a week.

20 posted on 08/10/2002 11:32:38 AM PDT by medved
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