Hillary Still Eyeing 2004 Race (For President)

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[PJ-Comix]

Now I think her big competition is Kerry, he is the only one who can win.

Um....Apparently you didn't read the article about Mrs. Heinz (Kerry's wife who wants to keep the name of her preferred husband). It was posted here on another thread. If you had read that article, you would quickly realize that Kerry has ABSOLUTELY NO chance of becoming President because his nutcase wife has his cojones secured away in a safe deposit box and is more than happy to let everybody know about that.

[cajungirl]

I did read the article and while she is colorful I don't see her as a hindrance. Maybe thirty years ago but not now. Bill Clinton won twice with surely the wife from all time hell.

[Bon mots]

Great one! HAH!

[Chest Rockwell]

I think your VPOTUS scenario is the most likely one. All this noise about a presidential bid is intended to pump up the chances of another candidate taking her on as a running mate.

Can you imagine someone you would want less as president or VP? Maybe Al Sharpton?

[Verginius Rufus]

Carter's Secretary of Defense was Harold Brown (for the entire 4 years). Cyrus Vance was Secretary of State until he resigned because of the attempt to rescue the hostages in Iran--for the remainder of Carter's term Edmund Muskie held the position.

[esopman]

Freeperville serves very well as a foil for bandying these ideas about. You have to wonder who else is reading these threads...

Anyway, I fear that the VPOTUS conjecture is the most valid working hypothesis.

As far as 'someone you would want less...'; that is unimaginable. Still, worse ruminations are available: Imagine, I mean really insinuate yourself into that imaginary space where you are POTUS, and Hillary Regina is VPOTUS. Think about it.

The questions keeping you awake would be, exempli gratia: "Where is my food taster?" "Is my life insurance paid up?" "Why does she giggle when her Chief of Staff, Lord Carville, mentions Vincenzo Fosterini?" "Who are those new mechanics working on Air Force One?" Hmmm??

Blessings on Freepers Everywhere.

[wingnuts'nbolts]

Hillary hung over.

[wingnuts'nbolts]

So are the Clinton infrastructure and thugs still in place.

[WhirlwindAttack]

She won't run unless she is sure she can steal the election Chicago style. If she runs she will lie, cheat and steal her way into the white house.
The gloves will be off and it will start the second civil war. The reds VS the blues will go to war. She will make Pol Pot look like Ghandi. Millions will die.

Hurry Lord Jesus.
/prophetic

[wingnuts'nbolts]

First there will come the move to do away with the Electoral College and the word DEMOCRACY will be used over and over and over, as it as been since the 2000 election.

[esopman]

To Hillary Regina's dismay, much of the Clintonista White House 'Infrastructure' has dissipated. However, the intelligence she gleaned there is still with her and largely valid. She undoubtedly has potent compromising information on Republicans (Lott comes to mind, only in that his behavior is consistent with a blackmailee). And, yes, the Arky Mafia is still locked and loaded. McAuliffe stands ready at the DNC.

She has to be careful how she deploys these assets, however, since she is not working from her previous position of strength. She is still very much in the game. Can you say, 'Madam Vice President?'

Blessings on Freepers Everywhere.

[Sen Jack S. Fogbound]

"I really don't think Hillary will run in 2004. I mean, she has yet to serve a single term as Senator - she still has to work on her resume a bit. I'd don't see her as a serious contendor until at least 2008."

This is a good point here. I might add that she has many enemies as well as those who are uncomfortable with her in her own party.

The Democraps will have to work to get the lefties out of their party before we can see some honest Democrats like Harry Truman.

[Eva]

I agree, Hillary won't run in 2004. She not only needs more experience, she needs to distance herself from her hubby. The recent news of the cooked books and the release of the speech where Clinton admitted to turning down the opportunity to nab Bin Laden, would be just too much to overcome. What would she run on? It's the economy stupid won't work and criticizing Bush's record on the war on terror won't work either. Hillary would have all the same problems finding a platform that all the other democrats are having for this mid-term election.

[esopman]

Thoughtful reply. Still, I see the issues you raise as Perceptual Issues. She has a complicit media which will ignite a propaganda firestorm to overwhelm the truths you speak. And the mind-numbed malleable middle of the electorate will be vulnerable. Factor in vote fraud, an implacable minority who will support her no matter what, the secular change in the equity markets hurting Bush (though neither he nor Clinton had much to do with that) and you have the recipe for Hillary Regina, VPOTUS.

[Pegita]

The prayer campaign is already underway, coteblanche ... the BEST thing President Bush could ever have done for us was to utter the word "Evil" ...

I'm convinced that NOTHING BUT PRAYER is going to penetrate the uncountable layers that surround the Clintons and all their minions ...

[Eva]

Picture Republican ads, picturing Bill Clinton with voice overs and out takes of his speech admitting that he let Bin Laden go, followed by and she( picture of Hillary with a mad face)says that President Bush is not doing a good job fighting terrorism?

Or, a picture of Hillary giving her speech saying we want to ask President Bush, what did he know and when did he know it, followed by someone playing a treasury bureaucrat mumbling about the cooked books under Clinton and then a short out take of Greenspan talking about raising interest rates to slow down the overly boisterous stock market and someone saying we want to ask Hillary Clinton, "What did you know and when did you know it?"

Or, some little old lady mumbling about the cooked books and how Clinton said he could feel her pain and now her entire retirement fund is gone into thin air like the Clinton Wall Street bubble. "We should have known not to trust a liar." " I guess when he said, 'It's the economy, Stupid,' we were the stupid ones." "We believed him,"

[Prodigal Son]

Precisely. The VPOTUS 'draft' gambit is the ideal environment for her Bubba Rex machinations:

The thing with that is--- ask yourself, would you want someone as manipulating and ambitious as Hillary as your Veep? Man, she would be trying to upstage you and get on TV every time you turned around. I can't see any Democrat being stupid enough to have her as their number two. Slap myself silly. Did I just say that? Of course they're stupid enough, they're democrats. But I think any dem that penciled her name in as running mate would be setting himself up for a world of trouble.

She and her 'obligated' POTUS front man lose. It's HIS fault and she can come back in '08 at the head of the ticket after four more years of viscious back room politics against any rivals.

You know who she'll likely face in 2008? Condolleeza Rice.

Hillary has to run now. She can't afford to wait for 2008. If Dubya keeps holding his cards close to his chest about who is going to be his running mate in 2004, she'll have to announce to counter the Condolleeza threat because she'll have to assume (without knowing for sure) that Cheney will step down and Rice will step in.

All Dubya has to do is wait until he's pretty sure she will run and then have Cheney resign. He nominates Rice to step in as VP and the Senate will have to confirm. Virtually all the dem candidates are Senators. They will then have two choices, sling mud at Rice at confirmation and see what sticks- the downside being the risk of alienating black voters by opposing the nomination of the nation's first black and woman president OR let the nomination go smoothly, playing into Dubya's hand- the downside being when they suddenly start slinging mud in 2004 at Rice, the Republicans can easily say this is only dirty politics because they (the dems) didn't raise these objections during confirmation. Dubya's got 'em in the zugzwang.

The down side to Hillary running in 2004 is- a Bush/Rice ticket will be practically unbeatable. If she loses, she won't get a second chance- at least Gore can claim "Hey I got more votes". Hillary would have been trashed come election day.

The downside to waiting till 2008 is she would then have to go head to head with Rice, the incumbent, and would have to be humiliated in front of the nation in the debates against Condolleeza. Hillary wrote "It Takes a Village"- Rice wrote a whole stack of books about Foreign Policy. Rice has a PhD after her name, Hillary has Bubba and Whitewater lurking in her closet. BTW, she would also face this humiliation if she runs as VP in 2004 because she would still have to debate Rice.

Run, Hillary, run! You are crispy toast either way.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

Was Carter's Secy of Defense Cyrus Vance? Or is my memory failing.

No, I'm pretty sure he was Secretary of State.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

come the move to do away with the Electoral College

. . . which will get about as far as a move to eliminate the Senate would--and for the same reason . . .

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

Carter's Secretary of Defense was Harold Brown (for the entire 4 years).

I'm the one who asked the question, "Who/when was the last successful Democrat SecDef?" Clinton had none, only a failed Democrat and a Republican. My point was that in the past 50 years that seems to leave Brown (whose name I couldn't even remember) and Robert Strange McNamara.

Just speculating on the possible political uses of that data . . .