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To: Arius Piso
Cotex? Sounds like a feminine product. If you are speaking of the Aztec cultural artifacts, have you been to Mexico City? They do have those funny things called Museums where artifacts of earlier cultures are preserved. Mayan and Olmec, Toltec & Aztec. Incan too. And the Spanish and other civilized nations have progressed past the "kill them all" mode that Muslims such as yourself have no ability to transcend. So why has there been no real art, no advances or cultural anything from the Arab (don't count Turkish with arabic for the purposes of this discussion) since around the time of the Crusades? As for the Olmecs & Toltecs, the Aztecs enslaved them. Mayans were 500 years or so gone (with the exception of a few descendents) as an empire. The Incas had the issue of intermarriage and all the problems a shallow gene pool brings: Hemophilia and other recessive diseases. And North & South American Indian tribes have an ORAL history. Some pictographs but the first known instance of a written language was in the 1820's in the USA (Cherokee nation).
52 posted on 08/13/2002 10:15:09 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: Caligirl for Bush
Three European museums protect the remaining codex. None in Mexico City; were you partying too much there to notice little details like that? I make that guess based on your ditzy, superficial regurgitation of public school S. American history. Let's play school, Caligirl. I'll be the huffy Prof. and you'll be the naughty trollop who has to stay after class. Mayan Codices
HISTORY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MAYAN CODICES The Maya employed ideograms to create an incalculable number of books, or codices. Only three are known to have survived. Their documented history began with an act of barbarism, continued under risky circumstances, and the effort to decipher them has yet to end. By Beatriz Martí The theme of a codex (pik hu'un, in Maya), could be linked to religion, astronomy, the agricultural cycles, history or prophecies. However, in every case, much of the content and the design of the codex itself were related to the spiritual world. In order to write, one had to be in touch with the gods, and the products were considered sacred. This necessitated that the books be kept in special rooms inside of temples and important civic buildings. The ritualized process of codex production involved specialists. The codex, its contents and the finished book were all considered linked to the heavens. Priests had to undergo purification and renovation rites in preparation for readings that they gave the populace during festivals and special ceremonies. Each priest read and gave interpretations that varied in accordance with his specialty. WHAT IS A CODEX? Just as with modern books, paper was the most common material out of which codices were made. The Maya made paper from the inner bark of fig trees (Ficus), called kopó in Maya and today commonly known as amate paper. Although they also used deer skin, cotton cloth and maguey paper, apparently the Maya preferred kopó. The paper measured several meters long and, as in the case of the three known Maya codices, measured about 20 centimeters wide. The large codices were folded like screens, covered with layer of starch, and then with a thin, white, calcium carbonate paste.
Learning something yet? That's good, you go girl!
The Maya Explorer
Most historians claim the Mayas are decedents of the Olmeca, and that at some point close to the year 2000 BC a group of these Olmecas settled near what is now known as Yucatán. There they flourished until the year 1697 AD when the last of the Mayas where eliminated by the Spanish soldiers. In the interval of time between the two dates the Mayas filled the region with their stone built cities, their towering pyramids (sometimes reaching over 70 meters), and their sackbe paths, which intercommunicated many of their cities. They developed writing and numeric systems, they studied the stars and came up with an advanced calendar system that some consider superior to our own. The Mayas where without a doubt one of the most important cultures of pre-Hispanic America, their numerous cities stretched from the coasts of Yucatán down to Guatemala and Chiapas. At one point in time there where over 3 million Mayas living in this area, but by the time the Europeans came, their numbers had reduced drastically due to wars and calamities. Tragically there is much still unknown about the Mayas because most of their books and writings where burned by Fray Diego de Landa during the conquest. Most of what we now know about them has been extracted from the three codices that still remain.
You probably have never heard of the Great Law of Peace, either. The US Constitution is based on it. But just go on thinking that your culture SOOO superior.
The ancient Mayan were meticulous record keepers. Many of their ruins where used to observe the stars and were filled with volumes of books that contained astronomical knowledge that they learned. These books in Mayan lore are called codices. When the Spanish priests first saw the codices, they were thought to be the work of the devil and ordered all the books burned. The famous priest De Landa was one of them. Thousands of volumes were lost to the flames, but it is believed there are three ancient codices left in the modern world.
Care to concede the point about Catholics burning vast, irreplacable written libraries of ancient South America. That's what I thought. Now show me how much Caligirl really likes Bush and I'll let you pass with a C.
79 posted on 08/14/2002 8:44:05 PM PDT by Arius Piso
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