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Neo-Conservatives are not Conservatives
Sierra Times ^ | August 12, 2002 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 08/12/2002 5:48:59 AM PDT by sauropod

Neo-Conservatives are not Conservatives

By Jeff Adams
Published 08. 8. 02 at 21:29 Sierra Time

Several years ago, I noticed the term "neo-conservative" come into frequent use. I have grown to hate this word because it gives people who bear the term false credentials as true conservatives.

To me, true conservatives fit the description of what used to be called the "Old Right." These "new conservatives" present nothing that reflects the ideas of the "Old Right," or traditional conservatism. Neo-conservatives see nothing wrong with big, centralized government, as long as they, the neo-conservatives, are in charge instead of liberal Democrats. That's like saying, "It would be okay if America was ruled by a dictator, as long as I was the dictator, because I would surely be a benevolent dictator." But you can't count on the next guy to be benevolent. It's asinine.

There is a saying: "Conservatives never conserved anything." In most ways the saying is true. Leading neo-conservatives of today have very moderate stances when it comes to traditional values concerning marriage, sexual mores, immigration, taxation, property rights, limited government, and religion. These people claim to be leaders in the conservative faction of politics. Quite frankly, if you were to put their views and ideas on paper and lay them beside the views and ideas of a liberal Democrat, you would have a hard time telling which ideas were the liberal Democrat's and which came from the neo-conservatives.

Neo-conservatives are in reality neo-socialists, for they cloak their big government socialism in the ideas of big business and they believe that big, centralized government is okay as long as "conservatives" run it. They are the front men for large corporations. They tout capitalism, but in reality they are advocates of mercantilism. This is a close cousin to the state-controlled economies of communist countries. Yes, those economies: the ones that all failed miserably.

What we have in neo-conservatives is a bunch of liberals who are "pretenders to the throne" of conservatism. Real conservatism is actually traditionalism. In that sense, I am not a conservative, but a traditionalist. A "Southern Traditionalist" to be exact. I cling to the ideals and values of our colonial forefathers, and the people of the South who dared stand against Lincoln and the forces of centralization and mercantilism. These new false conservatives can mouth their platitudes and claim to be for tradition all they want. But when their kind continues to expand federal power, to limit our freedoms and liberties, and to accept as normal the perversions that go on in our society, they had best keep in mind that traditionalists like myself see through this façade, and we have had enough. Our numbers are growing, and we no longer believe we have to vote for false conservatives as the "lesser of two evils."

The loud booming voices of neo-conservatism are false prophets. It is like the man behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz. Pull back the curtain of neo-conservatism and you will see not a conservative, but a socialist. Is it any wonder that many of today's noted neo-conservatives are "former" leftists of the 1960's, or had parents who were members of the Communist Party, USA? Don't two of the Republican's big "conservatives," Orin Hatch of Utah and John McCain of Arizona, spend much of their time "in bed" with Ted Kennedy? When Mississippi's "conservative" Trent Lott was majority leader in the U.S. Senate, did he push a conservative agenda? (The answer, of course, is a very loud "NO.") What has the "arch-conservative" John Ashcroft done since becoming Attorney General? With his help, we are headed toward a police state.

Off hand, the only real conservative, or traditionalist, I see on the national scene is Congressman Ron Paul of Texas. People like him deserve our support. The socialists in neo-conservative clothing need to be spurned. I would rather "throw my vote away" on an independent or third-party candidate and sleep well at night because I didn't contribute to the continuing downfall of our lost republic by voting for a neo-conservative/socialist, than choose "the lesser of two evils" and know that I voted into office someone who was going to go for my wallet and stab me in the back as if he were a common street mugger.

Neo-conservatives are really neo-socialists. True conservatives/traditionalists should denounce these frauds. Just as the original definition of the word "liberal" no longer applies in our society, "conservative" doesn't mean what it used to, not when it comes out of the mouths of the political phonies that man the barricades of the Republican Party. I'm not a neo-conservative, or even a conservative. They've ruined that word. I am a Traditionalist. I hope all who love their freedom, fear God, and know what we have lost, will step up and put on the Traditionalist mantle to help separate themselves from the pretenders who think we will vote for them this election year because they believe we have nowhere else to turn.

© 2002 SierraTimes.com (unless otherwise noted)


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To: sauropod
They've ruined that word. I am a Traditionalist.

A Traditionalist fraud, perhaps. We don't allow moral-liberals to define conservatism for us.

41 posted on 08/12/2002 7:41:36 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: steve50
you don't hear the neocon label on the idiot box much anymore.

I plan on doing my part in reviving the label and making it stick to these anti-liberty, anti-South bigots.

42 posted on 08/12/2002 7:42:30 AM PDT by CWRWinger
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To: general_re
I think so much is hot air from them.They aren't constructive, postive people, so they TALK a good game.Ever seen a pessimist actually accomplish anything? It's easier to proclaim "failure" before you start than actually be proven to be one ;-)
43 posted on 08/12/2002 7:43:26 AM PDT by habs4ever
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To: Cultural Jihad
moral-liberals

What is a moral-libral?

44 posted on 08/12/2002 7:48:44 AM PDT by CWRWinger
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To: billbears
44 posts and the usual neo-cons/leftists have not shown up. Is there a communist cell meeting this morning?
45 posted on 08/12/2002 7:50:35 AM PDT by CWRWinger
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To: habs4ever
The ideological purists always complain that the pragmatic realists are selling out. Live with me in New York for a while - or Ontario, for that matter - and you soon come to appreciate the virtues of "better than nothing".... ;)
46 posted on 08/12/2002 7:52:46 AM PDT by general_re
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To: CWRWinger
"Ah, gee. Let people do whatsoever they want to. It's all nobody's business what consenting adults do. It's all relative. We can't be judgmental about anything. Let's all just live and let die. People have no intrinsic and inestimable worth and value. People can all go to hell in a handbasket for all I care. I am most compassionate!"
47 posted on 08/12/2002 7:53:14 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: CWRWinger
LOL, well not the usual however I think it'd be safe to say I've been attacked more than once for 'gasp' wanting to be truly conservative. I think the author of the article has it dead on. Republicans of today have become some sort of big government nice guys. As long as 'our' side is in power, devil be d#mned if you speak out against them. What I find truly ironic is that if a Democrat were doing the exact same things, the outrage from any Republican would be heard for miles.
48 posted on 08/12/2002 7:54:00 AM PDT by billbears
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To: habs4ever
If you keep the party going, how come there aren't more of you? Where is that State legislature composed of "true" conservatives that will galvanize so many of you to take it national? Your whole post was an endorsement of staying on the fringe, yet you can't see the irony in it.Another classic sign of a fringe dweller;plus the inevitable "not a dime's worth of difference between the Republicans and Democrats" mantra which is trotted out ad nauseum to fortify your delusions.Yeah, that's not fringe thinking, is it?

Careful, every political movement worth noting throughout history was instigated by an element that can be described as "fringe".

49 posted on 08/12/2002 8:01:54 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: rdb3
I'm a free-thinker who views issues through the lenses of free (fair) trade, deregulation, tremendously less taxation, overwhelmingly strong defense, and liberty. How to attain these are up for debate to me, but apparently not for others. To them, it's their way or the highway.

Very nicely put

50 posted on 08/12/2002 8:02:11 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: sauropod
The Neo-Traditionalists have gotten more vocal of late and I seem to miss anything constructive, positive, or realistic in the rhetoric, so far. But I'm listening.
51 posted on 08/12/2002 8:09:40 AM PDT by Consort
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To: habs4ever
plus the inevitable "not a dime's worth of difference between the Republicans and Democrats" mantra which is trotted out ad nauseum to fortify your delusions.

If you can honestly point to me a difference that I can stand on, believe in, just within the campaign here in NC between Elizabeth Dole and Erskine Bowles, I would consider your argument. However they are both the same shade. Both talking about national healthcare, both for tariffs, both at some level pro-choice, both anti-gun, and both big government. Yet the true conservatives are called 'fringe' because they believe in the Constitution and hold mainly conservative views. They also won't be able to pick up the vote after the RNC (which made the choice sometime back in Feb. and we haven't even had our primaries yet!!) has dumped every bit of money behind Giddy because of her name recognition.

This is just one example but it is becoming more prevalent in the political world

52 posted on 08/12/2002 8:10:06 AM PDT by billbears
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To: general_re
I lived under a "true" socialist government from 1991 to 1995.The real, Euro kind of traditional socialist apparatus, and it was a misery,so i know a little thing about what a socialist is and isn't.When the Paleo goes off tarring those to the left of them as socialists,but well to the right of Ralph Nader, well, I say gimme some of that socialism!!
53 posted on 08/12/2002 8:12:04 AM PDT by habs4ever
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To: Cultural Jihad
"Ah, gee. Let people do whatsoever they want to. It's all nobody's business what consenting adults do. It's all relative. We can't be judgmental about anything. Let's all just live and let die. People have no intrinsic and inestimable worth and value. People can all go to hell in a handbasket for all I care. I am most compassionate!"

The morality of socialism: The individual is too valuable to be trusted to look after himself.

54 posted on 08/12/2002 8:12:51 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: skeeter
Yup, that movement began under National Review, on through to Goldwater, and culminated in Reagan.So, are the paleos saying their day is but upon us all?
55 posted on 08/12/2002 8:14:15 AM PDT by habs4ever
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To: sauropod
Maybe it's Neo, as in New, as in New World Order, as in One World, as in creating the UN and spearheading UN opposition, as in playing both ends against the middle.
56 posted on 08/12/2002 8:14:34 AM PDT by apochromat
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To: Jimer
Than again, it could be Neo as in a New tank of gas for a New car.
57 posted on 08/12/2002 8:17:44 AM PDT by apochromat
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To: Jimer
My last post was intended to reply to post #1.
58 posted on 08/12/2002 8:19:00 AM PDT by apochromat
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
I would rather "throw my vote away" on an independent or third-party candidate and sleep well at night because I didn't contribute to the continuing downfall of our lost republic by voting for a neo-conservative/socialist, than choose "the lesser of two evils" and know that I voted into office someone who was going to go for my wallet and stab me in the back as if he were a common street mugger.

Well see I say that and get attacked for apparently having principles. From the responses I've seen of late, it just strengthens my belief that the only way to return to what the Founders had in mind would be to abolish the 17th Amendment. The voters have seen they can vote themselves money, among other things, from the public treasury and the general government. At this rate I truly feel we are at Tyler's 'apathy to dependency' point with only bondage left to go

59 posted on 08/12/2002 8:19:27 AM PDT by billbears
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To: CWRWinger
I plan on doing my part in reviving the label and making it stick to these anti-liberty, anti-South bigots.

Did you actually type "South" and "bigot" in the same sentence with a straight face?

60 posted on 08/12/2002 8:20:36 AM PDT by sinkspur
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