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Good point.The fringe ought to realize they aren't owed diddly, and if the ideas they espouse were so popular then they would have a bigger seat at the table.But, do they want that, or would they rather act defiant from the sidelines, throwing stink bombs and pointing fingers?

...would they rather act defiant from the sidelines, throwing stink bombs and pointing fingers?

They'd rather have the whole loaf or none at all - if they can't have it all, they'd rather be schismatics who insure that the libs take the whole wad, rather than settle for partial measures or half-steps.

Stupid sniping from the sidelines about who is and isn't a conservative - how about we argue about this junk after the libs are run off the field?

The fringe ought to realize they aren't owed diddly, and if the ideas they espouse were so popular then they would have a bigger seat at the table

Let me say this for those that are apparently hard of hearing, WE'RE NOT THE FRINGE!!!! We are the ones that keep the party going, the ones that still hold to what it is to be a conservative, and not planning on giving any ground. Unfortunately there are many true conservatives that are willing to vote for the lesser of two evils just because they dislike Democrats more than they dislike the Republican being offered to them. Look at the Republicans of today and compare them to the Republicans of 20 or even 40 years ago. Then compare them to the Democrats of a century and a half ago (that's the line today's Republican comes from, not the Socialist Whig Republicans of the latter half of the 19th century). Every year conservatives give more and more ground and it's about time it stops. You can hardly tell the parties apart except for a few fiscal policies