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A High-Tech Lynching: ABC News, The FBI, and The Greendale School Myth
Toogood Reports ^ | 14 August 2002 | Nicholas Stix

Posted on 08/13/2002 7:17:56 PM PDT by mrustow

Toogood Reports [Wednesday, August 14, 2002; 12:01 a.m. EST]
URL: http://ToogoodReports.com/

Are the FBI and the elite media interested in catching the right guy, or the right-wing white guy? In the case of the terrorist who last fall murdered five people and made 13 others ill via anthrax-contaminated letters, the feds and Big Media have decided that it would be expedient to railroad scientist Steven J. Hatfill, and have engaged in collusion towards achieving that end. The only problem is, that no one has produced one iota of evidence tying Hatfill to the crime. And so, the media and law enforcement have subjected Hatfill to the death of a thousand cuts, via incredible leaks, innuendoes, irrelevancies, and even outright fabrications. Apparently, Hatfill's tormentors seek to make an eventual trial a mere formality, or perhaps even drive their victim to an act of such desperation, as to make a trial unnecessary.

"There was (and still is) only one school in the neighbourhood. In my day, it was called Courtney Selous primary school.... I checked on a NGO website which listed all the name changes which the government is proposing presently and discovered that the school is, indeed, still called Courtney Selous (after a famous 'White Hunter'. Frederick Courtney Selous, who featured prominently in early Rhodesian pioneer history). Although the school is located in Greendale, it has never been known as 'Greendale School'. No other schools have ever been built in the area."

"There isn't and never has been a Greendale School. There is a suburb in Harare called Greendale. The schools in that area were Courteney Selous School which is a school for junior kids. The only other schools in that area were for high school i.e Oriel Boys Oriel Girls and Chisipite. There is a school that is called Greengrove but is not in the school zone in the area mentioned although it is fairly close."

"I will not be railroaded."

The first two passages quoted above, are from e-mails sent to me during the past week, by two of the dozens of Zimbabwean expatriates I'd contacted, in seeking to determine if a "Greendale School" had ever existed in or near Zimbabwe's capital city of Harare. An official at the Zimbabwean Ministry of Schools, in Harare, assured me on August 2, that there is presently no "Greendale School."

The third quoted passage is a statement by biowarfare scientist, Dr. Steven J. Hatfill, from his August 11 press conference.

Since June 25, in hit pieces on Hatfill, countless American and foreign TV and print reporters have repeatedly emphasized that during the late 1970s and early 1980s, Hatfill lived near a "Greendale Elementary School" or a "Greendale School" in a suburb of Harare.

The anthrax letters sent last fall to senators Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) and Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), both carried the same return address:

"4th Grade
Greendale School
Franklin Park, N.J. 08852."
American journalists reported triumphantly, that Hatfill had lived near a Greendale School, as if this were the ultimate nail in his coffin, proving that he was guilty of having murdered five people and sickened thirteen others last fall, through anthrax-contaminated letters. And yet, not one of the articles published a single incriminating piece of evidence against Hatfill.

Readers have learned such "damning" facts as that Hatfill likes girls (the grown-up kind), carried a 9-millimeter pistol while living in a civil war zone, has studied and warned of the dangers of biowarfare attack, is "working on" a bioterrorism novel (actually he and his friend Roger Akers had completed and copyrighted it in 1998), and perhaps most pathetic of all, that federal bloodhounds had barked at Hatfill and his girlfriend. The last two charges were made in a Newsweek article that appeared on the Web on August 4, and were echoed, with a straight face, on the NBC Nightly News (guest-hosted by Storm Phillips) the following day.

(Note that the FBI leaked the "bio-terror novel" red herring to reporter Rebecca Cooper, at ABC's Washington affiliate, WJLA. Cooper, the former lover of then-Rep. Gary Condit, had provided Condit's initial alibi for the time when Chandra Levy disappeared. Later, it turned out that Cooper had gotten her days wrong.)

Cooper reported, "This novel written by Steven Hatfill envisions a biological attack on Congress. It's an attack so deadly that not only do members of Congress and congressional aides become ill, but hundreds of Washington residents become ill and many die as a result."

In the context of Hatfill's warnings since 1997, of the dangers of biowarfare attack, and his formal, 1999 study of such dangers, that he would co-write a novel on the topic would not alarm anyone who had done her homework.)

The "Greendale School" Myth was initially perpetrated by ABC News' "Chief Investigative Correspondent," Brian Ross, in a June 25 report. On June 26, the Hartford Courant's Dave Altimari, Jack Dolan, and David Lightman repeated the claim, but without attributing it to Ross. From then on, countless reporters repeated the myth, attributing it to Ross' ABC report. Even the Baltimore Sun's Scott Shane, a major player in the anthrax business, cited ABC.

In an August 8 story, USA Today reporters Kevin Johnson and Toni Locy claimed that, "In Rhodesia, Hatfill lived near a school named Greendale," without attributing the claim to ABC News.

A sage observer recently noted, "If there is a Greendale School, it is insignificant. But if there is no Greendale School, it is very significant."

What the observer meant, was that the existence of a Greendale School in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe would hardly be incriminating. There are Greendales and Greendale Schools scattered about the English-speaking world. There are sixteen Greendales in the U.S. alone. Canada has active Greendale schools in the provinces of Quebec, Ontario, and British Columbia (and a defunct one in Saskatchewan); Worcester, MA has one, as does Philadelphia; there are Greendale schools in Dublin, the Republic of Ireland, and even as far off as Christchurch, New Zealand.

And as correspondents and acquaintances have pointed out to me, even without counting reporters' fictions, "Greendale" has enjoyed a rich fictional life. In Leave it to Beaver, the title character lives in Greendale. In the Andy Griffith Show, Don Knott's character, Deputy Barney Fife, was offered a job as sheriff in the town of Greendale. And "Greendale" is the site of Sabrina, the Teenage Witch, and the role-playing kids' game, Teenagers from Outer Space.

Perhaps the most famous "Greendale" is the fictional village on the British children's TV show, Postman Pat, which has run for over twenty years, and which is even watched, for campy fun, by some adults. According to its web site, "[T]he animated television programme [is] now being shown in more than 40 countries from Australia to Japan."

The notion that the existence of a Greendale School during the time of Steven Hatfill's stay in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, would "prove" that he was the anthrax terrorist, would only impress someone who either had convinced himself that Hatfill was guilty, or who wanted him to be guilty so badly, that he was indifferent or hostile to the truth. The Greendale Myth has been the story not of Steven J. Hatfill, but of reporters who were scientifically illiterate, lazy, and politically compromised.

After Brian Ross started the myth on its way, he was cited by hundreds of other reporters, none of whom bothered to check out the story. Scott Shane of the Baltimore Sun, who cited Ross, deserves special mention, because he has been one of the most influential reporters covering the anthrax investigation, and because he has given prominent coverage to the hoaxer who created the campaign persecuting Hatfill, Barbara Hatch Rosenberg. Shane coined the term for one of Rosenberg's hoaxes: The "bioevangelist" theory.

On rare occasion, a reporter writing on Hatfill would correctly state that there was a "Greendale neighborhood" or "district" near where Hatfill had lived or studied in Zimbabwe, but even those reporters failed to correct the false claims that he had lived near a "Greendale School."

One AP reporter, Jeremiah Marquez, went beyond the call of corruption, in fabricating the story that "A school in Harare known as the Greendale School was actually named for Courtney Selous, a famed white hunter and the namesake of the Selous Scouts."

Thus has Marquez sought to immunize from scrutiny, all those who have perpetuated the Greendale School hoax.

Marquez' failure to turn up a single incriminating fact against Hatfill, combined with his relentless repetition of politically incorrect irrelevancies from Hatfill's past, imply that he is intent on keeping hoax alive.

On August 10, long after any diligent reporter would have determined that there was no "Greendale School," ABC News' "Chief Investigative Correspondent" Brian Ross was at it again: "ABC NEWS has also reported that investigators are intrigued by the fact that Hatfill lived for years near a Greendale Elementary School while attending medical school in Zimbabwe."

On August 12, ABC's Brian Ross, co-authoring a story with his colleagues Barry Serafin and Pierre Thomas, was at it again, albeit permitting Hatfill's lawyer to contradict him and his colleagues:

"Greendale School

"Investigators are intrigued by the fact that Hatfill lived for years near a Greendale Elementary School while attending medical school in Zimbabwe, ABCNEWS has reported. Greendale School was the phony return address used in the anthrax letters.

"However, Glasberg denied Hatfill knew of such a school in Harare, Zimbabwe.

"'There is a subdivision in Harare called Greendale, [but Hatfill] did not live there,' Glasberg said. 'The information we have is that there is no such Greendale School.'"

Like the other irrelevancies that have filled reports on Hatfill, the point of constantly reaffirming the existence of a "Greendale School" in Zimbabwe, is to predispose potential jurors to see everything about Hatfill in a sinister light, and railroad him, should he be arrested and tried. 'Remember, this guy supported apartheid. Send him a message, with a vote to convict!'

The Greendale School Hoax' current incarnation is the AP version. Amazingly, other reporters have echoed Jeremiah Marquez -- his colleagues, Laura Meckler and Ted Bridis did so on August 12 and 13, respectively, and the New York Post's Niles Lathem, did so on August 13.

Lathem writes,

"While no Greendale School exists in New Jersey, a school in the Greendale suburb of Harare, Zimbabwe, is informally known as the Greendale school.

It's actually named for a white Rhodesian fighter Courtney Selous – and the Rhodesian commando unit Hatfill joined was called the Selous Scouts."

The media campaign against Hatfill was initially orchestrated by Dr. Barbara Hatch Rosenberg, chairwoman of the far-left, Federation of American Scientists (FAS) Working Group on Biological Weapons. Although FBI officials initially discredited Rosenberg's theories, instead of discouraging the campaign, the FBI and federal prosecutors have more recently exploited it to the fullest extent, with their own campaign of steady leaks. Thus, "discreet" searches of Hatfill's home were always accompanied by a full complement of reporters, and even media helicopters, and the FBI leaked to the press, that agents had found a bioterror novel on Hatfill's computer hard drive. The newest leak, is the claim that Hatfill was in London last November, at the same time that an anthrax hoax letter was sent to Sen. Tom Daschle.

I suppose, given the FBI's current standards, that being in the city from which a hoax letter was sent, is enough to convict a man on five counts of capital murder. But why bother with the formality of a trial?

One of the more notorious FBI leaks followed the August 1 search of Hatfill and his girlfriend's respective homes. FBI sources told Newsweek reporters Mark Miller and Daniel Klaidman, that bloodhounds that had been given "scent packs" from decontaminated anthrax letters to sniff, barked wildly at the sight of Hatfill. And yet, "On Sunday, a law enforcement official close to the case said the scientist has not 'received any more attention than any other person of interest in the investigation,'" according to the AP's Laura Meckler. Such statements do not help the FBI with its credibility problem. But then, Laura Meckler has a huge credibility problem of her own (to be visited in the next column).

The NBC reporter who repeated the bloodhound story said that the dogs' reaction was the basis for the criminal warrants the FBI procured on August 1, to search Hatfill's home and that of his girlfriend. On June 25, the feds had already searched, with Hatfill's consent, his Frederick, MD home and car, and a refrigerated storage locker he rents in Ocala, FL. At the time, they found nothing, which is all they ever had on Hatfill. So why keep harassing the man?

Each explanation raises more questions than the one that preceded it. Even the NBC reporter admitted that the anthrax attacker had left no fingerprints (he also did not lick the envelopes), and had surely handled the letters with rubber gloves. Getting some bloodhounds excited --perhaps with an item FBI agents had previously removed from Hatfill's apartment -- to cast suspicion on someone on whom the Bureau has no evidence, is bush league (under current circumstances, I don't know whether I want you to pardon the pun). But then, we don't know if the bloodhound story even happened.

The Bureau coined the phrase, "person of interest," which is clearly a euphemism for "suspect," but which does not carry the same legal niceties, like Miranda rights and the presumption of innocence. Unlike Hatfill, who has voluntarily sat down with FBI agents for several interviews, a suspect would have no reason to cooperate with authorities, because he would have been alerted that anything he said, could and would be used against him, in a court of law. And while the FBI still claims that Hatfill is only one of "20 or 30 persons of interest," that ruse isn't fooling anyone, especially when Bureau officials claim -- or at least ABC's Brian Ross, Barry Serafin, and Pierre Thomas on August 12 asserted the officials claimed -- that the Bureau isn't ready to "clear" Hatfill.

"Despite Steven Hatfill's strong denials this weekend of any involvement in last year's fatal anthrax attacks, FBI officials told ABCNEWS today there are new questions about the former government scientist.

"The FBI has not officially labeled Hatfill, 48, a suspect in the anthrax killings. But officials point to continued questions about the scientist and say they are also unable to clear him.

"Perhaps most significant to the FBI, authorities say a police bloodhound reacted strongly to Hatfill and his apartment after being exposed to the scent retrieved from the anthrax letters under a new technology, reports ABCNEWS' chief investigative reporter Brian Ross."

The bloodhound, again. Apparently, since August 4, the other bloodhounds had died off. It is a sad day for American law enforcement, when the people running the Federal Bureau of Investigation think that they can presume the guilt of a man on whom they have no incriminating evidence, until which time they are ready to "clear" him. This is the stuff of communist show trials. Where have you gone, Efrem Zimbalist Jr.?

As Hatfill's friend and spokesman, Pat Clawson, a former CNN reporter, told Wolf Blitzer on the latter's CNN show, on August 12,

"In all the years I covered the Justice Department for this network, I don't have a clue what a 'person of interest' is. It's not an official term. When in this country do we start casting a finger of accusation at people on national media, when does our government start doing this when it has no evidence to back up any kind of criminal charges? It's just outrageous as an American that he is being subjected to this."

In 1996, the FBI colluded with media organizations in the attempted crucifixion of hero Richard Jewell, the security guard who had saved untold lives by discovering a bomb, and evacuating a busy area at the Atlanta Olympics. The Bureau and the media cast Jewell as the bomber. Against all odds, Jewell saved himself, when he turned the tables on his persecutors. Eventually, Jewell got a public apology from the Bureau, and a couple of million dollars in settlements from media outlets.

As Hatfill said in his August 11 public statement,

"My girlfriend's home was also searched. She was manhandled by the FBI upon their entry, not immediately shown the search warrant. Her apartment was wrecked while FBI agents screamed at her that I have killed five people and that her life would never be the same again."

Previously, FBI agents had told the media that while staking out Hatfill's apartment building, they grew suspicious when they saw him throwing duffel bags of material in the dumpster in the back. Hatfill was merely preparing to move to his new job, in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. (Or so he thought; Hatfill's enemies have already succeeded in getting him suspended from his new job. The constant news glare and searches have given his new employer the willies, which was the point.)

And what were FBI agents doing staking out a man, on whom the Bureau had, and has, nothing?

The temptation to politicize the administration of criminal justice is ever present in law enforcement. The FBI suffered great embarrassment over its politically correct mishandling of investigations that properly handled, might have broken up the 911 terrorists' cells. Under intense pressure to make an arrest in the anthrax attacks by the first anniversary of 911, the Bureau is apparently willing to go PC again, and pin the anthrax attacks on the white guy. The FBI is acting increasingly like the political police in a dictatorship. Meanwhile, the media, which are supposed to be a brake on arbitrary power, have instead acted more like a state-run Ministry of Propaganda, manufacturing lies and helping the FBI terrorize Steven Hatfill.

In previous articles, I advised Hatfill that if he did not soon go on the offensive, he might find himself sharing a cell with the likes of Jose Padilla, and might not be able to speak to his attorney, let alone the world. With his August 11 press conference, Hatfill and his new civil attorney, Victor Glasberg, have signaled that they are prepared to turn the heat on Hatfill's tormentors.

As the saying goes, turnabout is fair play.

To comment on this article or express your opinion directly to the author, you are invited to e-mail Nicholas at adddda@earthlink.net .


TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; Breaking News; Canada; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana; US: Maryland; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: abcnews; anthrax; anthraxscarelist; antraz; associatedpress; ccrm; fbi; injury; mediabias; stevenhatfill
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1 posted on 08/13/2002 7:17:56 PM PDT by mrustow
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To: mrustow
This is clearly a very well researched article. It's amazing how all of these journalists blindly followed the non-existent "Greendale School" myth without question. No actually, it's not amazing. It's different than that. It's chilling.
2 posted on 08/13/2002 7:27:10 PM PDT by Mohammed El-Shahawi
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To: mrustow
Great info mrustow, thanks!
3 posted on 08/13/2002 7:29:05 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: Mohammed El-Shahawi
Sadly, it's typical.
4 posted on 08/13/2002 7:29:45 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: mrustow
This may or may not be a stupid comment but:

I think that the FBI, under pressure to make a maximum effort, probably assigned too many agents to the anthrax case. As a result, the people who should be looking at the big picture are instead distracted by management tasks such as the coordination of a massive team and running down inside leakers. It would have been better to assign a small tiger team of the FBI's best. As for leaks, a big team is bound to include a smart-alec or two who runs to the press.

It is right for the FBI to consider lots of people as suspects, but Hatfill sounds to me like a very long shot for having anything to do with the crime. There is nothing wrong with them looking at him and even searching his place -- the only thing wrong is the leaks.

5 posted on 08/13/2002 7:35:01 PM PDT by Steve Eisenberg
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To: mrustow
Another sad part of this is that there will be plenty of public griping and, as usual, ABC and the FBI will face zero/zippo/nada/zilch/a big goose egg for accountability.
6 posted on 08/13/2002 7:38:15 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Steve Eisenberg
There is clearly more than just leaks at work here. It wasn't the FBI who manufactured a "Greendale School" in Harrare. Someone, somewhere sat down and manufactured this. Then they passed it on the media, and the media blindly printed it. Not just once, but dozens of times.

Who was the person who started this, and what were their motivations?
7 posted on 08/13/2002 7:42:26 PM PDT by Mohammed El-Shahawi
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To: mrustow
Nice article, a real "Jewell" of factual research.

If the fedgov doesn't retract by the end of the week, I fully expect Hatfill/Glasberg to smoke `em.

 

8 posted on 08/13/2002 7:56:01 PM PDT by TLI
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To: Steve Eisenberg
The FBI looks bad on this investigation! Very Bad!!

The media is doing what they always do!

They are pursuing the leftist agenda!

9 posted on 08/13/2002 8:00:03 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: mrustow
Sounds like Hatfill is being built up to be this era's Lee Harvey Oswald...

Great article, thanks for posting it.

10 posted on 08/13/2002 8:00:54 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: Mohammed El-Shahawi
The author will surely appreciate your comments.
11 posted on 08/13/2002 8:21:39 PM PDT by mrustow
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To: terilyn
Sure thing, terilyn.
12 posted on 08/13/2002 8:22:32 PM PDT by mrustow
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To: Steve Eisenberg
Well, I think the problem goes deeper than allocation of manpower. If the FBI brass insists on this disgruntled, domestic lone wolf theory, it doesn't matter who is on the investigative team. They won't solve the case, even if they want to.
13 posted on 08/13/2002 8:30:21 PM PDT by mrustow
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Another sad part of this is that there will be plenty of public griping and, as usual, ABC and the FBI will face zero/zippo/nada/zilch/a big goose egg for accountability.

I dunno. ABC may end up paying through the nose, and Bob Mueller may end up paying with his job.

14 posted on 08/13/2002 8:34:02 PM PDT by mrustow
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To: mrustow
Thanks for the very interesting article.

It seems to be forgotten that the first victim of anthrax mail in the US was a Florida man who worked for American Media. I always thought that, with the subsequent letters sent to the ABC,CBS and NBC American media outlets, that the terrorist who did this was confused as to what American media actually was.The terrorist was probably not an American. Also, Arab terrorist suspects had lived near, indeed rented from, the first man to die in the anthrax letters.

Also, the letters were definitely mailed in NJ. There was information back last October, even on FreeRepublic, that there was a Muslim scientist living in Trenton, NJ who was NOT being investigated. Perhaps a more astute Freeper can dig that information out.

The FBI has long since passed the time that it has any credibility and should be disbanded. No American should trust it after it was politicized by the Clinton Administration. It needs a complete overhaul, which we were promised, but that never seems to have happened. And it needs completely new leadership.

15 posted on 08/13/2002 8:44:57 PM PDT by exit82
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To: Mohammed El-Shahawi
For a "person of interest," see the link at #1, as well as:

Calling Agent Frank Black! Anthrax, Millennium, and the Dr. Strangelove of the American Left

Dr. Strangelove Strikes Again -- in Scotland! Hunting America's Most Notorious Anthrax Hoaxer

Dr. Strangelove Disarms America

16 posted on 08/13/2002 9:05:36 PM PDT by mrustow
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To: TLI
Nice article, a real "Jewell" of factual research.

If the fedgov doesn't retract by the end of the week, I fully expect Hatfill/Glasberg to smoke `em.

I hope you're right. In any event, Hatfill had nothing to lose.

17 posted on 08/13/2002 9:07:40 PM PDT by mrustow
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To: mrustow; piasa; The Great Satan
In previous articles, I advised Hatfill that if he did not soon go on the offensive, he might find himself sharing a cell with the likes of Jose Padilla, and might not be able to speak to his attorney, let alone the world.

Good advice.

18 posted on 08/13/2002 9:50:39 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: mrustow
I hope you're right. In any event, Hatfill had nothing to lose.

That's right, he doesn't.  And more and more Americans are switching on to the fact that they have nothing to lose and everything to preserve (their rights) by standing up to the jackboot tactics of fedgov judicial organizations and witch hunts by the media.

Word is gett'n round, they are from the fedgov and they ARE NOT here to help you.

19 posted on 08/13/2002 9:53:06 PM PDT by TLI
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To: mrustow
At least now it will be much harder to arrange to have him jump off a bridge or become depressed and shoot himself with an antique revolver in an isolated park.

Consider his press conference a vaccine for sudden Vincefosteritis.

20 posted on 08/13/2002 9:53:59 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: exit82
I agree on your comments on the efficacy of continuing on with the FBI.

The scientist you speak of was an Egyptian I believe and was not liked by his colleagues at all, and was supposedly being investigated by the FBI. I regret I don't have his name right now, but there was speculation (this about 6 months ago) that by the Anti-Israeli tone of its letters it was a setup to frame him by these colleagues.

Why now the switch to Hatfill? And who is feeding the media?

Where did this initial story go?
21 posted on 08/13/2002 10:07:34 PM PDT by DrLiberty
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To: *CCRM; Peacerose; *Anthrax
FYI
22 posted on 08/13/2002 10:21:29 PM PDT by mrustow
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To: exit82
The terrorist was probably not an American.

I too, never forgot the first victim. I can not forget all the "amazing coincidences" in Florida. I too, never thought it was a lone, white American.

Why the railroading of a man who understands fully the danger of bio/chemical weapons ..... it can't be sheer incompetence...can it?

23 posted on 08/13/2002 10:37:08 PM PDT by Selara
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To: Mohammed El-Shahawi
This is clearly a very well researched article. It's amazing how all of these journalists blindly followed the non-existent "Greendale School" myth without question. No actually, it's not amazing. It's different than that. It's chilling.

To that thought, add the fact that every article quoting Barbara Hatch Rosenberg describes her as a "microbiologist".

She's not.

She is a professor of environmental science at SUNY's performing arts branch. She does no research and, indeed, no longer teaches. Instead, she is a full-time activist for the FAS anti-biowarfare committee.

One phone call or one visit to a website, would put a reporter in touch with the facts of Rosenberg's "credentials". So far, none in the mainstream have found the time, or the dime, to make the call.

24 posted on 08/13/2002 10:40:20 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Mohammed El-Shahawi
No actually, it's not amazing. It's different than that. It's chilling.

It's standard 'pack journalism' that's been going on for years. No one bothers to do any original reporting; it's easier just to rewrite the competition, propagating any mistakes, lies or misinterpretations in the process. It's scary but it's the current journalistic standard.

25 posted on 08/13/2002 10:43:08 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Mohammed El-Shahawi
Who was the person who started this, and what were their motivations?

The aforementioned Barbara Hatch Rosenberg. Hatfill is the fourth scientist she has fingered (she changes her story with some frequency).

The others had either AMRIID ties, CIA connections or a Battelle Institute (a purported CIA contractor) link.

Her agenda is quite clear. To force the US into signing the UN's Anti-Biological Warfare treaty, apparently by implicating the military/intelligence community responsible for our defense against biowarfare.

26 posted on 08/13/2002 10:45:27 PM PDT by okie01
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To: DrLiberty
As I understand it. There are a total of 30 scientists that the Feds are looking at. The first time I heard about him was when some leftist female "scientist" mentioned his name in, a Brit tabloid. She really appeared to have a need to get his name out there. The FBI is about to wind up with big time egg on its face over this one, not because they investigated him but that they allowed her to keep using his name in public.
27 posted on 08/13/2002 10:46:46 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: mrustow
Great article.

No one (other than mad dog liberals) who really followed the situation thought Hatfill was guilty, so that's not a surprise. The surprise is how well Hatfill has come across, and how bad the FBI looks.

So now we have three possibilities:
1. Was he a willing and very convincing participant in a diversion?
2. Was the FBI simply looking for a temporary scapegoat, and willing to trample on this guy to get it?
3. Or was the FBI simply stupid, arrogant, and out of control?

Personally, I sure hope its #1.

28 posted on 08/13/2002 10:47:16 PM PDT by EternalHope
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To: Mohammed El-Shahawi
Our journalists are stupid hacks. They barely have the mental capacity to read teleprompters, much less deal with physical evidence or facts.

In other words, it's no wonder the FBI finds them so useful.

29 posted on 08/13/2002 10:51:28 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: mrustow
I remember being suspicious of Rosenberg herself or her friends from the beginning.

Before 9/11, she publicly stated that some scientist might have to launch an attack before people would take the threat seriously and sign the treaty she favored.

The targets were mostly liberals in the Congress and the media who would have to take her concerns seriously before anything could pass. The chair of the Judiciary Committee (who would vote on treaties) was a target.

It sounds like Hatfill is no more likely than Rosenberg or some of her friends.
30 posted on 08/13/2002 10:53:14 PM PDT by Hagrid
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To: mrustow
Good piece. Happily for us GWB is going to make it all better with his new Dept. of Homeland Security. All we need is a bunch more bureaucrats, and unlimited gubmint power. Yeah. That's the ticket. Whew! Thank God the geniuses Bush and Ashcroft are on the job.
31 posted on 08/13/2002 10:56:28 PM PDT by mercy
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To: Steve Eisenberg
****the only thing wrong is the leaks.****

That and the fact that the guy passed his lie detector test right off the bat and there never was one shred of evidence he had anything to do with the anthrax attack.

And oh yeah, there's also the fact that the attacks were obviously state sponsored terrorism.

And ... then there's the whole upshot of this cluster f___. Once again the FBI are proved moronic and incompetent and by reasonable conclusion so are Bush and Ashcroft. This really makes the American people feel a bunch safer with this sort of stupidity being the norm in America.

OBL must giggle himself to sleep every night.
32 posted on 08/13/2002 11:03:20 PM PDT by mercy
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To: FormerLurker
Sounds like Hatfill is being built up to be this era's Lee Harvey Oswald...

Pardon, but Oswald shot a president, and a cop, and was a sniveling, wife beating peice of commie clymer kissing leftist scum. Please don't compare him to a man who may well be completely innocent!

33 posted on 08/13/2002 11:08:51 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: okie01
I wonder whose running the FBI? Obviously someone who thinks this Rosenberg twit is a person of authority. Obviously I've fallen into another dimension. I wanna go home.
34 posted on 08/13/2002 11:11:35 PM PDT by mercy
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To: EternalHope
So now we have three possibilities:

1. Was he a willing and very convincing participant in a diversion?
2. Was the FBI simply looking for a temporary scapegoat, and willing to trample on this guy to get it?
3. Or was the FBI simply stupid, arrogant, and out of control?

I think the most plausible model is that Amerithrax was always conceived of as a vehicle for a PR stall while Bush figured out a response to the blackmail, but the FBI agents assigned to it aren't in the loop. They were probably told by Mueller, "Just between you and me, boys, we think this one's from one of our own people," and then set loose. Given the small size of the operation and the poor quality of the agents put on it, this was a nice safe way to put up a public front of an investigation that would never stray into any dangerous territory. Lots of people have reacted to the investigation with bafflement, but nobody's been smart enough to figure out that it is the way it is for a reason.

While I'm feeling a lot more comfortable that I understand how the Amerithrax part of this charade works, I still don't have a handle on how much Hatfill knows. I think that the goofballs at Amerithrax have been suckered by Nuthatch et al, and they really are under delusions that Hatfill is their man and, in consequence, they really have been Jewell-ing him, in their characteristically half-assed way.

But does Hatfill understand the bigger picture, and is his public indignation genuine? Of that, I'm not sure. It certainly looks like the crisis in the "lone nut" theory has been engineered to coincide nicely with the Iraq buzz, and I doubt that is a coincidence. But does that mean Hatfill is in on it? Not necessarily. I am confident that Bush would intervene if things started straying from his own timetable. Everything is being orchestrated -- it's too important not to be -- but that doesn't mean everything is being micromanaged, or that all the parties are in cahoots. Steering inputs are coming from the top as needed to bring this thing home. And home is probably not too far away now.

35 posted on 08/14/2002 1:34:04 AM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: mrustow
So the story about Bloodhounds hitting on him, his appartment, etc., is bogus, too?
36 posted on 08/14/2002 2:17:40 AM PDT by SubMareener
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To: The Great Satan
"It certainly looks like the crisis in the "lone nut" theory has been engineered to coincide nicely with the Iraq buzz, and I doubt that is a coincidence."

Important point.

I still see more real evidence that sleepers/Middle Easterners in the US did the anthrax. There are just too many reports of pharmacists and doctors before and after 9/11 saying they saw signs of anthrax sores on the arms, hands, and legs of the terrorists and their suspected associates. We know there is a terrorist support group of MEs up there in NJ. Why is the FBI dismissing/ignoring the actual reports of the doctors and pharmacists? I trust their reports more than some FBI dog that barked.

I have never seen a basis for the FBI's starting proposition - that it is a white male American scientist with militia ties.

My theory is we have an FBI team leader who worked too long in the field targeting US white male militia guys, an FBI leader who is just too smart for his own good. While such a bureaucrat may be highly effective he is not necessarily objective. Especially so considering the so-called assistance he received from university-based US scientists with many agendas of their own. In this case it put the investigation on the wrong path from the beginning.....and has kept it there despite the evidence. Now the FBI cannot admit to being so very very wrong, so they have to lynch a white male scientist with strong "right" views.

37 posted on 08/14/2002 2:58:16 AM PDT by NetValue
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To: mrustow
In 1996, the FBI colluded with media organizations in the attempted crucifixion of hero Richard Jewell, the security guard who had saved untold lives by discovering a bomb, and evacuating a busy area at the Atlanta Olympics. The Bureau and the media cast Jewell as the bomber. Against all odds, Jewell saved himself, when he turned the tables on his persecutors.

Hatfill could shut the FBI and the media down cold by just interjecting the name of Richard Jewell and calling the FBI what they have become, Jackbooted NAZI's that leaks like a siv and investigate like the Keystone Cops.

38 posted on 08/14/2002 3:32:07 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: DrLiberty
Dr. Ayaad Assaad
39 posted on 08/14/2002 3:37:23 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: mrustow
Hooray for Mr. Stix!
40 posted on 08/14/2002 3:43:08 AM PDT by bvw
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To: NetValue; Mitchell; Nogbad; EternalHope
Here's the story as I see it:

Saddam is the author of 9/11. The anthrax threat is meant to deter Bush from pointing the finger and hitting him back.

Saddam has the initiative here. We have no defense against the anthrax, so Bush elected to stall, to buy enough time to come up with a plan and change the balance of forces. Of necessity, that implied setting up a sham investigation into the "mystery" of the anthrax. This investigation was targeted at our own biodefense establishment, where it could spin its wheels uselessly for months on end without causing any harm. They christened this Potemkin probe "Amerithrax." That was a nice marketing touch, don't you think?

FBI Director Mueller assigned a couple of none-too-bright brown-nosers to pursue a "lone right-wing nut" theory, knowing full-well he was launching them on a wild-goose chase. Lately, the useful idiots at Amerithrax have gotten a bit carried away with the theories of Barbara Rosenberg, left-wing activist and self-appointed useful idiot. But that's also useful, because Bush is gearing up to point the finger at Saddam, so a public discrediting of the "lone nut" theory is just what the doctor ordered right now.

I think you will find this theory fits perfectly with everything that has transpired over the past ten months. I also think that, if you review the Amerithrax web site, you will agree that it does not remotely resemble anything you'd expect of a sophisticated, multi-million dollar investigation into potentially the most deadly threat ever faced by the American people. It actually looks just like a cardboard stage prop. Amerithrax is two men and a dog, and maybe they hired a high school kid to put up the web page. Check it out. Amerithrax is a fake, a fraud and a ruse.

41 posted on 08/14/2002 4:04:56 AM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: mercy
That and the fact that the guy passed his lie detector test right off the bat and there never was one shred of evidence he had anything to do with the anthrax attack.

The no evidence part I agree with, unless there is something more here known to some of the FBI agents too competent and decent to leak.

I do take exception to the lie detector. Here is a slightly humorous web page to put one in the right frame of mind about that nonsense:

How To Sting The Polygraph

Warning: The above web site may be, for all I know, a fake. But so is the polygraph.

42 posted on 08/14/2002 4:12:54 AM PDT by Steve Eisenberg
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The media is doing what they always do! They are pursuing the leftist agenda!

\ And using conservative terminology. A High-Tech Lynching, Clearance Thomas used this term, during his supreme court confirmation hearing, referring to the democrat racist in the senate.

43 posted on 08/14/2002 4:24:19 AM PDT by chainsaw
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To: EternalHope
I would bet on a combination of #2 & #3.
44 posted on 08/14/2002 4:35:56 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: mrustow; *Anthrax_Scare_List
(Note that the FBI leaked the "bio-terror novel" red herring to reporter Rebecca Cooper, at ABC's Washington affiliate, WJLA. Cooper, the former lover of then-Rep. Gary Condit, had provided Condit's initial alibi for the time when Chandra Levy disappeared. Later, it turned out that Cooper had gotten her days wrong.)

Cooper reported, "This novel written by Steven Hatfill envisions a biological attack on Congress. It's an attack so deadly that not only do members of Congress and congressional aides become ill, but hundreds of Washington residents become ill and many die as a result."

Given Cooper's congressional connections, isn't it more likely that this leak came from a congressional source?

45 posted on 08/14/2002 4:44:58 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: mrustow
The newest leak, is the claim that Hatfill was in London last November, at the same time that an anthrax hoax letter was sent to Sen. Tom Daschle.

First I've heard of this hoax letter from London. Has this news been revealed before?

46 posted on 08/14/2002 4:56:47 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: EternalHope
Dare I suggest a #4......the man is guilty.
47 posted on 08/14/2002 4:59:28 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: mrustow
Like the lefties pointing out minor inconsistencies in Ann Coulter's book Slander to debunk the whole book, I submit:

In Leave it to Beaver, the title character lives in Greendale.

The Cleavers live in Mayfield. Oops

BTTT :-)

48 posted on 08/14/2002 9:48:50 AM PDT by hattend
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To: Stultis
Pardon, but Oswald shot a president, and a cop, and was a sniveling, wife beating peice of commie clymer kissing leftist scum. Please don't compare him to a man who may well be completely innocent!

Er, it was ALLEGED that Oswald did all that. He never went to trial, and there ARE witnesses who saw him buying a can of soda at the time Kennedy was assasinated. In fact, you are aware that Oswald worked for the CIA distributing leaflets in Miami, right? That I believe has been ascertained. In any case, how else would you explain the fact that he "defected" to the USSR while an active duty Marine, married a Russian bride, then was allowed to come back to the US AND given $20,000 by the State Department upon his return? There's obviously a voluminous amount of material concerning the JFK assasination and the facts revolving around Oswald. The more you look at it, the more it becomes painfully apparent that Oswald WAS setup and there WAS a conspiracy to terminate JFK's presidency and life.

That is EXACTLY what I meant when I wrote my comment concerning this case, where Hatfill is being "setup" in a similar fashion. His accusers are the media, and his jury is the public who never question what the media writes..

We COULD argue back and forth for several days as to whether there is any merit to any of the so-called facts concering the JFK assasination, but I really think that would be pointless, as people have argued this subject for decades, and those whose mind are made up that Oswald shot Kennedy will never think otherwise, no matter what facts are presented.

49 posted on 08/14/2002 9:55:21 AM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: OldFriend
Dare I suggest a #4......the man is guilty.

At least in the public domain, there is no evidence for this whatsoever.

Based on what we DO know, the evidence is strongly in favor of his innocense.

1. It would take $1 million worth of equipment and materials to make weapons grade anthrax. Hatfill does not have the money. Likewise, Hatfill could not have hidden the evidence if he somehow got the money and set up shop anyway.

2. If he somehow stole it, the spores would have had different size and anti-static coating characteristics than the actual powder used.

3. The attack in Florida is completely inconsistent with the other attacks if the attacker was Hatfill. However, especially since American Media had just run a very unflattering piece on Osama Bin Laden, an Islamic attacker (Atta) makes perfect sense.

4. There is a lot of publicly available information, and it all supports a radical Islamic attacker (Atta, getting it from somewhere else).

5. A very plausible, but not publicly proven, scenario is that Saddam was/is the ultimate source of the anthrax. Even the wording in the letters makes it clear that they are intended as a warning, not an attack. Used differently, even the small amount of anthrax used in the letters could have killed many more people.

6. Applying Occam's razor, the attack was exactly what it looked like: A warning. Who would feel the need to issue a warning? Saddam.

7. Applying common sense and a minimal amount of strategic thinking: There is more anthrax available to attack us with. Whenever we move against Iraq, we had better be ready for the consequences here at home.

To sum up: On balance, just based on common sense and what is publicly known, it seems very unlikely Hatfill is guilty of anything more than a (possibly) inflated resume.

50 posted on 08/14/2002 10:07:44 AM PDT by EternalHope
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