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Men and Marriage
ABC News ^ | Lee Dye

Posted on 8/15/2002, 1:45:17 AM by BuddhaBoy

Men are now waiting on average until the age of 27 to marry, compared to 25 for women, but that doesn't mean they are against marriage as an institution, according to the co-directors of the project, David Popenoe, a behavioral scientist and professor of sociology at Rutgers, and Barbara Dafoe Whitehead, a marriage expert. Men, they conclude, just aren't in any hurry.

"The good news is that men who marry later may be more financially stable and emotionally mature," says Popenoe. The bad news is they may be so set in their ways that they are lousy at making the compromises that help a marriage get over the rough spots.

The researchers conducted eight meetings with 60 "not-yet-married" men in northern New Jersey, Chicago, Washington, D.C., and Houston. The men were ages 25 to 33, and none of them were gay.

The researchers note that most people think it's men, not women, who are "dragging their feet about marriage," and they state "our investigation of male attitudes indicates that there is evidence to support this popular view." The primary reason given by men for taking their sweet time:

They can get sex without marriage more easily now than in the past.

And they aren't all that interested in having children anytime soon, which is of concern to the researchers because the biological clock is clicking on the women they will someday expect to mother their kids.

Many of the conclusions won't come as much of a surprise to anyone who has observed the current state of mating rituals. When men pick up a girl in a bar, for example, they aren't looking for a long-term partner. A one night stand is more likely on their minds.

The participants also indicated that they want a woman who is able to take care of herself, which is somewhat of a reversal from the macho old world attitudes of just a generation or two ago. But here's a conclusion that is right out of the age of romantic novels:

What Men What

"Most of the men in these groups want to marry at some future time in their lives," the researchers conclude.

"They expect their marriages to last a lifetime. Like the majority of young adults today, they are seeking a `soul mate."'

But all that can wait. There doesn't seem to be anyone pushing them toward the altar anyway.

"Today's young men encounter few, if any, traditional pressures from religion, employers or society to marry," the researchers state, although they do get a bit of ribbing from parents who want grandchildren and colleagues who have already made that trip to the altar.

One area that concerns many men, according to the research, is the fear of failure. They see friends who are too willing to give up at the first sign of disharmony, and there's no question that marriage is not an easy institution to maintain.

The researchers believe marriage has a much better chance of surviving if both partners expect it to last a lifetime. Attitude at the opening gun seems to be very important.

But here's a line from the report that is worth pondering:

"Men see marriage as a final step in a prolonged process of growing up."

Not surprisingly, some of the guys who participated in the project are still living with their parents.

Top 10 List

For the record, here are the 10 top reasons why men are "slow to commit:"

1. They can get sex without marriage more easily than in times past.

2. They can enjoy the benefits of having a wife by cohabiting rather than marrying.

3. They want to avoid divorce and its financial risks.

4. They want to wait until they are older to have children.

5. They fear that marriage will require too many changes and compromises.

6. They are waiting for the perfect soul mate, and she hasn't yet appeared.

7. They face few social pressures to marry.

8. They are reluctant to marry a woman who already has children.

9. They want to own a house before they get a wife.

10. They want to enjoy single life as long as they can.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
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I thought that this would make an interesting first post, because I am a man who has no intention of ever getting married, and for many of the reasons mentioned in this article.

In case anyone is wondering, I am not a troll, I date plenty. I own two homes(investments), and I am 35, 6-3, and I am a Management Consultant for a very large company. All of the men that I work with, feel exactly the same, that marriage is not worth the risk, no matter how nice the woman might be.

Frankly, I am convinced that there is nothing to be gained for men in a married relationship. I dont see why I should agree to a contract risking 50% of my future earnings, when I dont want any children because I enjoy traveling and meeting new people.

I wonder how many people feel the same?

Even for those who disagree, I wonder how many can do so without the usual name-calling associated with what some people feel is a selfish stance?

I realize that most Conservatives are Christians, and for them Marriage is a holy thing. However, I am a Buddhist so save it, Okay? I just wonder how many Conservatives agree that marriage is becoming a rare thing.

1 posted on 8/15/2002, 1:45:17 AM by BuddhaBoy
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To: BuddhaBoy
I don't think your anecdotal evidence supports your assertion that marriage is becomming a "rare thing".

That said, I see nothing wrong with you not wanting to marry. It's your life.

There is nothing selfish about not wanting children. There are plenty of people out there who have no business having children but they do it anyways because of stupidity, to save a relationship or because they think this is what they are supposed to do. This is selfishness at its finest.

2 posted on 8/15/2002, 1:52:40 AM by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: BuddhaBoy
"I dont see why I should agree to a contract risking 50% of my future earnings..."

I'd like to just remind you of something my dad says, "Having money is a poor way to be rich." Think about it.

3 posted on 8/15/2002, 1:55:05 AM by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: BuddhaBoy
You just haven't met her yet.
4 posted on 8/15/2002, 1:56:06 AM by GWfan
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To: BuddhaBoy
Have you ever considered that your reasoning screams the phrase, Me-Me-Me?

The ladies that you're dating are surely hoping that you'll make a long-term commitment.

5 posted on 8/15/2002, 1:56:24 AM by Ciexyz
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To: BuddhaBoy
And they aren't all that interested in having children anytime soon, which is of concern to the researchers because the biological clock is clicking on the women they will someday expect to mother their kids.

The biological clock in men is much slower. Also, men have the option of marrying much younger women. Sounds like the chickens of the "Sexual Revolution" are coming home to roost.

6 posted on 8/15/2002, 1:57:52 AM by Paleo Conservative
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To: BuddhaBoy
Frankly, I am convinced that there is nothing to be gained for men in a married relationship.

For many, there's something incredibly beautiful and wonderful about sharing your life, creating and raising children, with a beautiful (in heart, body and soul) and wonderful woman. Of course, you're entitled to live your life as you see fit. But you're missing out on a lot!

7 posted on 8/15/2002, 1:58:22 AM by yendu bwam
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
I dont want to just HAVE money, I want to SPEND it.

Seriously though, I enjoy spending money on women, but I would rather not have to do it, because some Judge orders it, just because I might have in the past said nice things to her, and let her live in my house.

I am one of those guys who think that men who spend a month's salary on an engagement ring need counseling.

8 posted on 8/15/2002, 1:59:37 AM by BuddhaBoy
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To: BuddhaBoy
women are mean to me ! Thats why I'll never get married. LOL!
9 posted on 8/15/2002, 2:00:30 AM by anncoulteriscool
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>>And they aren't all that interested in having children anytime soon, which is of concern to the researchers because the biological clock is clicking on the women they will someday expect to mother their kids<<

This is absurd. Any successful 35-45 year old man can have all the 25 year old women on the planet that he wants.

The "researchers" are concerned because the men aren't doing their job-TS.

10 posted on 8/15/2002, 2:00:37 AM by Jim Noble
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I just wonder how many Conservatives agree that marriage is becoming a rare thing.

Getting married at an older age is not the same as never getting married at all. I think something like 95% of Americans eventually get married.

I have no problem with people who don't want to get married; hey, it's your life. Just don't make any babies.

11 posted on 8/15/2002, 2:01:03 AM by Trailerpark Badass
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To: BuddhaBoy
Frankly, I am convinced that there is nothing to be gained for men in a married relationship. I dont see why I should agree to a contract risking 50% of my future earnings, when I dont want any children because I enjoy traveling and meeting new people.

No problem, there are lots of high fertility immigrants whose offspring will fill what would have been your offsprings' places. Most likely that kid's name is Mohammed.

12 posted on 8/15/2002, 2:02:30 AM by Paleo Conservative
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To: BuddhaBoy
You are missing the point.
13 posted on 8/15/2002, 2:02:36 AM by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: BuddhaBoy
BTW, Welcome to freerepublic!
14 posted on 8/15/2002, 2:02:57 AM by anncoulteriscool
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To: BuddhaBoy
just because I might have in the past said nice things to her, and let her live in my house.

If that's how you view marriage, you are better off single.

15 posted on 8/15/2002, 2:03:29 AM by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Ciexyz
Have you ever considered that your reasoning screams the phrase, Me-Me-Me?

Yes, but its not just ME.

Were the court system in Americe more equitable towards men, I might feel differently.

I think the ladies I date are hoping only that they survive, and that I order dessert.

16 posted on 8/15/2002, 2:04:13 AM by BuddhaBoy
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To: Paleo Conservative
Prediction:

There will come a day when you will wish you has a wife and children.

17 posted on 8/15/2002, 2:05:18 AM by CharacterCounts
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To: BuddhaBoy
*****Seriously though, I enjoy spending money on women*****

I think one reason gay men are wealthier than straight men is because they dont blow money on woman!

18 posted on 8/15/2002, 2:06:10 AM by anncoulteriscool
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To: Jim Noble
This is absurd. Any successful 35-45 year old man can have all the 25 year old women on the planet that he wants.

Worth pondering..........

19 posted on 8/15/2002, 2:06:52 AM by BuddhaBoy
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To: anncoulteriscool
They also don't spend money on children.
20 posted on 8/15/2002, 2:07:18 AM by Paleo Conservative
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