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NASA plans to read terrorist's minds at airports
Washington Times ^ | 8/17/02 | Frank J. Murray

Posted on 08/16/2002 10:18:03 PM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:56:19 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Airport security screeners may soon try to read the minds of travelers to identify terrorists.

Officials of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration have told Northwest Airlines security specialists that the agency is developing brain-monitoring devices in cooperation with a commercial firm, which it did not identify.


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1 posted on 08/16/2002 10:18:03 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Harumgh! Mental Profiling! Absolutely not!

Thanks Kat....pretty interesting.

2 posted on 08/16/2002 10:20:36 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: kattracks
Why not just keep the hordes of barbarians the hell out of America?

This is the sort of stuff that tyrants like Hitler, Stalin, and Mao would have wet dreams about.

3 posted on 08/16/2002 10:22:52 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: kattracks
Ahh, this is nothing. It's the CIA that does all the mind reading. The CIA and the "watchers"...shhhh, that's one of them right now...right up there on the black helicopter...
4 posted on 08/16/2002 10:23:22 PM PDT by HassanBenSobar
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To: Mulder
Stalin aproves.
5 posted on 08/16/2002 10:25:00 PM PDT by stalin
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To: VaBthang4
Harumgh! Mental Profiling! Absolutely not!

Your heartrate, brainwaves, and blood pressure will all be fed into a federal database, that also contains your job history, school history, shopping habits, and personal preferences.

All of this will be combined to give a composite "score" for each American.

Your loving federal government will then determine if you pose a "threat" based on how high this score is. Score high enough, and it's off to the FEMA camps.

But it's for the children

6 posted on 08/16/2002 10:26:14 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: stalin
Stalin aproves.

No doubt about it.

As do many of his followers in our corrupt government.

7 posted on 08/16/2002 10:27:21 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: kattracks
Let me guess the consultants are Miss Cleo, Art Bell and Gordon Michael Scallion!
8 posted on 08/16/2002 10:27:38 PM PDT by mlibertarianj
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To: kattracks
Does this mean I'll have to buy extra tinfoil when I fly?
9 posted on 08/16/2002 10:28:51 PM PDT by chaosagent
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To: kattracks
Oh this is getting weird.
10 posted on 08/16/2002 10:30:05 PM PDT by krb
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To: Mulder

11 posted on 08/16/2002 10:30:50 PM PDT by mvpel
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To: kattracks
We used to joke about the Thought Police at work. At least I thought we were joking.
12 posted on 08/16/2002 10:31:05 PM PDT by Samwise
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To: kattracks
so... they currently don't profile middle eastern men between the ages of 18 and 40...
but they do frisk buxom blond american women. hmmmmm.

so if they have an amazing capability to psychologically profile "terrorists" they will... um...
hey, meryle, look at the wheels on that babe... woo hoo.

13 posted on 08/16/2002 10:31:17 PM PDT by glock rocks
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To: krb
I am laughing out of control...lololololol...this is unreal
14 posted on 08/16/2002 10:37:38 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: Samwise

15 posted on 08/16/2002 10:37:48 PM PDT by BlessingInDisguise
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To: Mulder
This is the sort of stuff that tyrants like Hitler, Stalin, and Mao would have wet dreams about.

Airlines are going to love this. Just when the Passenger Humiliation Consultants (tm) were starting to run out of new ways to make travelers feel like crap: unexplained delays, silly rules they make up at the last minute, lack of food, and bizarre pricing, a new technology breaks the field wide open again.

We hate to fly, and it shows!

16 posted on 08/16/2002 10:38:15 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: kattracks
A real use for tinfoil hats!
17 posted on 08/16/2002 10:42:58 PM PDT by TheAngryClam
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To: kattracks
If that is the case then why don't they just use satellight telescopy and fast fourier transform to take photographs of a "Global CAT Scan, or MRI scan". Program a computer to analyse the data and isolate the terrorists by looking for regions of the picture where the people in the picture have an overactive "Amigdala" in their brains. Then cross reference this information to the geographical information systems database about the regions where the (red amigdala) points show up from telescopy. This technique would require the skills of astronomers, but instead of searching for stars quasars, black holes, distant, galaxies and micrawave background radiation, they will be looking for chemical readings related to terrorism. Then go to their front doors and arrest them.

"knock, knock, knock, F.B.I. you are under arrest. You are a thought criminal, our satelite took this photograph of you this morning. You are caught redhanded in the act of thinking subversive thoughts, and plotting terrorism."

Then have a public execution, where the Guilty Persons are killed in front of a firing squad, and show it live on every television everywhere in the world. After that people will believe in big brother, and the war on terrorism will end.

In that way you can save millions of dollars. Just build one really powerful MRI telescope. Tell the people that your going to use it. Then use it, then the war is over.

18 posted on 08/16/2002 10:44:29 PM PDT by ramdalesh
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To: BlazingArizona
Airlines are going to love this. Just when the Passenger Humiliation Consultants (tm) were starting to run out of new ways to make travelers feel like crap: unexplained delays, silly rules they make up at the last minute, lack of food, and bizarre pricing, a new technology breaks the field wide open again.

If you paid a group of consultants $1 billion dollars to devise a system which would reduce the number of flyers, they could not have done a "better" job than those currently making the decisions.

Therefore, I believe it's being done intentionally so that the airlines will continue to lose money. Once a few of them go belly-up, then the feds will come in and "save the industry" by nationalizing the remianing airlines. (Of course, they call it by another name).

19 posted on 08/16/2002 10:45:24 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: kattracks
Well, Northwest just lost any future business they might have had from me...
20 posted on 08/16/2002 10:46:16 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: kattracks
Airport security screeners may soon try to read the minds of travelers to identify terrorists.

Please tell me this is a joke and what moroon came up with this idea

21 posted on 08/16/2002 10:47:08 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: kattracks
Well, Northwest just lost any future business they might have had from me...
22 posted on 08/16/2002 10:47:14 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: kattracks
Really GOOD operatives fool Lie-Detectors, too. It won't ever, ever work. There are already many people around who will be able to defeat this stuff should it ever arrive. That's without drugs...which could mask a multitude of things.

Move along. No story here.
23 posted on 08/16/2002 10:49:40 PM PDT by PoorMuttly
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To: Mulder
Why not just keep the hordes of barbarians the hell out of America?

Because it's not part of the agenda, not in the plan.....

24 posted on 08/16/2002 10:51:22 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: PoorMuttly
It won't ever, ever work

You're correct that it won't work for the stated purpose (keeping Abdul from boarding a plane).

But it will work quite well for advancing the emerging police state dictatorship.

25 posted on 08/16/2002 10:52:43 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: ramdalesh
Minority Report and 1984... horrifying combination...
26 posted on 08/16/2002 10:54:59 PM PDT by Trinity451
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To: Mulder
Yes, it would definitely do that quite well.
27 posted on 08/16/2002 10:56:18 PM PDT by PoorMuttly
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Because it's not part of the agenda, not in the plan.....

You're 100% correct.

It's blatantanly obvious to any educated observer what that "agenda" is.

28 posted on 08/16/2002 10:57:28 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: kattracks
You could probably save alot of money by sending a Space Shuttle up to the Hubble telescope and just convert that bad boy into an MRI.

But that will probably for a new product called, "Black Silicon Tinfoil Toupee". We can make lots of money. NASA can make the mind reading technology and the CIA can make the stealth headgear and think of the job opportinities.

We'll have to reform the ATF beaureau to ATFT. Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Tinfoil Hat.

29 posted on 08/16/2002 10:58:00 PM PDT by ramdalesh
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To: ramdalesh
I'm in! Tell me how to invest!
30 posted on 08/16/2002 11:01:30 PM PDT by HassanBenSobar
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To: VaBthang4
SciFi (or is it sci-FANTASY) bump.
31 posted on 08/16/2002 11:07:13 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: kattracks
NASA = Not A Scientist Anywhere
32 posted on 08/16/2002 11:21:29 PM PDT by jimkress
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To: kattracks
How much do F.B.I. agents make a year BTW?
33 posted on 08/16/2002 11:23:15 PM PDT by ramdalesh
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In a related story, Southwest Airlines will start charging terrorists for two seats on its 2,800 daily flights starting August 26. 

     The airline, which operates out of 58 U.S. cities and is the largest carrier at Baltimore-Washington International Airport, will begin charging "persons of terror" for two seats if they think they may not terrorize comfortably in one.

     Ticket agents will not have knife  and bomb requirements to follow when determining who can comfortably terrorize in one seat or who needs to purchase another ticket, said Southwest spokeswoman Christine Turneabe-Connelly.

     "It is, unfortunately, a judgment call," she said.
     Miriam Berg, president of the Council on Terror and Highjacking Discrimination, questioned agents' ability to make the correct assessment.
     "Can they read a terrorist's mind?" she asked.

     Southwest has always asked terrorists to purchase two tickets if they would have difficulty highjacking from one seat, and ticket agents used to have some flexibility when accommodating these passengers, Mrs. Turneabe-Connelly said.

     But as of August 26, the airline will ask violent passengers "whether the flight is full or not, to purchase an additional seat," she said.
     If the flight isn't full, the passenger may request a refund after the flight, Mrs. Turneabe-Connelly said.

     "For an airline to charge people double based on the person's malevolence is pure discrimination," Miss Berg said. "Do they discriminate the same way against serial killers?"

     All people who are mass murderers, not just the terrorists, are included in the Southwest policy, Mrs. Turneabe-Connelly said.

     The industry does not have a general policy on airlines' accommodation of violent passengers, said Diana Cronan, a spokeswoman for the Air Transport Association, which represents the major carriers. However, some carriers charge dangerous passengers extra.

     Chicago-based United Airlines, for example, charges dangerous passengers double if they cannot comfortably murder from one seat, said United spokesman Joe Hopkins.

     Miss Berg said she has had more complaints from violent travelers about Southwest, which is the fourth-largest domestic airline based on passenger numbers, than any other airline.

     "They think they can get away with it because they think discriminating against people on the basis of dangerousness will be acceptable to most of the population," she said.

     She blames the airlines for making seats too small to accommodate violent Americans.

     "The fact is that Americans are getting more violent," she said. "This is what the population looks like, and an airline has an obligation to make its seat fit the population."

     The actual trend in aggressiveness is hard to pin down. In 1998, the government's destructiveness index was changed, resulting in 30 million Americans going from government-approved to violent or psychotic overnight. 

     The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says that, under the new standards, 61 percent of Americans were violent or psychotic in 1999. The percentage of psychotic Americans nearly doubled from about 15 percent in 1980 to 27 percent in 1999. 

     The policy change at Southwest was prompted by studies of its service, the company says. The airline found that many violent passengers did not purchase two tickets and that other customers often complained when their space was encroached upon.

     "We learned some important lessons from that," Mrs. Turneabe-Connelly said. 

     Advocacy organizations such as Miss Berg's have long opposed airlines charging violent passengers extra.

     The National Association for the Advancement of Terrorist Acceptance offers dangerous passengers tips on its Web site for dealing with airlines but acknowledges that passengers often encounter stumbling blocks.

     "Your needs deserve to be met, but it may be up to you to remind them of this simple fact," the site reads. "Remember that you have a right to accessible transportation."

     Mrs. Turneabe-Connelly said Southwest ticket agents are trained not only to make good judgment calls on who needs to pay for an extra seat but also to be discreet when confronting passengers.

     "We don't want the customer to be embarrassed or offended in any way," she said.

     But it's important that all passengers be comfortable on Southwest flights, she said. "If we have a full flight and there's somebody sitting next to [a highjacker], the other customer becomes upset."


34 posted on 08/17/2002 12:42:20 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: kattracks
Interesting article. Similar metrics can be used to predict which driver is impaired, for example. It's all a matter of gathering the data and matching that data against a known template.
35 posted on 08/17/2002 12:47:22 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: kattracks
There are cameras that can see your flesh right through your clothing- you are naked on TV! Now if the airports used those types of cameras, do you think you would ever know? Imagine the law suits they would face if such a system were made known to the public. And tin foil panties and bras set off the metal detectors too!
36 posted on 08/17/2002 1:35:57 AM PDT by greggy
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To: ramdalesh
I think arming everyone is a far less intrusive approach to public safety. But then, that's just me...
37 posted on 08/17/2002 1:38:08 AM PDT by greggy
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..tin foil panties and bras set off the metal detectors...

How about Mylar® g-strings and pasties?

38 posted on 08/17/2002 2:22:21 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: HassanBenSobar
Ahh, this is nothing. It's the CIA that does all the mind reading. The CIA and the "watchers"...shhhh, that's one of them right now...right up there on the black helicopter...

Actually a watcher is merely projecting those images into your mind.

In reality it is secure in a bunker deep under Fort Meade, floating in a dimly lit tank of warm nutrients.

39 posted on 08/17/2002 3:13:56 AM PDT by Erasmus
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To: ramdalesh
knock, knock, knock, F.B.I. you are under arrest. You are a thought criminal, our satelite took this photograph of you this morning. You are caught redhanded in the act of thinking subversive thoughts, and plotting terrorism."

"You're under arrest for the future murder of thousands by the mandate of the Dept. Of Precrime. Give the man his hat."

A slight take-off on "Minority Report" in case you were scratching your head there...

40 posted on 08/17/2002 4:26:49 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater
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To: kattracks
Looks like Johnny is coming out of retirement..


41 posted on 08/17/2002 5:18:56 AM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: kattracks
Let's see, they're going to
  1. profile me at the check-in
  2. scan my "national ID" card
  3. put me in a cattle-line to get to the metal detectors
  4. make me undo my belt and take off my shoes at the "security" checkpoint (perhaps frisking me or touching my abdomen)
  5. "profile" me using my body language, perhaps as I'm being frisked in public
  6. empty my luggage in full public view
  7. scan me with a device that can see through my clothes
  8. search my luggage again at the boarding gate
  9. put me in a plane with untrained federal marshalls
  10. and now scan my brainwaves for "unusual" patterns.

And this is all implemented by third-worlders including Muslims wearing headdress.

And the baggage is still not scanned.

And Abdul the Muslim male - with his unambiguous desire to destroy America - is no more subject to this than myself, the prototypical American.

This is sheer insanity. I think I'll take the train. Whoops, that's going bankrupt too.

42 posted on 08/17/2002 5:29:41 AM PDT by angkor
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To: kattracks
If this were to be implemented, ALL the airlines would see their passenger manifests drop to 0 within a few days.
43 posted on 08/17/2002 5:52:00 AM PDT by xrp
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To: glock rocks
but they do frisk buxom blond american women. hmmmmm.

There is no telling what those thugs with jugs are planning.

44 posted on 08/17/2002 6:12:30 AM PDT by chainsaw
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To: kattracks
At first reading, I genuinely thought that this was a hoax. To check I did a Google search on Herb Schlickenmaier of NASA and Mihir Kshirsagar of the Electronic Privacy organization. Those sounded like the wierd named used in hoax articles. Well, they are both mentioned on many other web pages in association with their respective organizations, going back quite a while.

This still smells like a hoax to me, but if so they are using or abusing the names of real people to do it.

45 posted on 08/17/2002 6:23:13 AM PDT by Joe Bonforte
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To: All
you guys remember when somebody claims the government is reading their thoughts, and the are written off as a nut job? quickly locked up?

guess it was possible
46 posted on 08/17/2002 6:24:52 AM PDT by galt-jw
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To: kattracks
I love that name "Herb Schlickenmaier"

But if they still refuse to profile terrorists, what good will it do to read their minds? As it is a terrorist can yell BOMB in an airport, and if he looks Middle Eastern, young, male -- they won't touch him! Just flew from LA to Houston this week and my son and I were picked out for a bag search. They told us when we checked in that "our names came up" to have a baggage search. He is red headed, I am blondish, both of us look Irish, and very much American. We are taking him to college tomorrow, in Texas and he has lived with us in LA all summer. He was carrying everything he owns, plus we were traveling with two cats, and my husband also had his computer. We were not amused with the thought of having all of our stuff taken out and searched through. For some reason they let us pass without the bag search. We were relieved. Traveling by air is such a pain now. It used to be such a pleasure, I HATE it now, and I was traveling First Class on Continental. We are all just cattle to the airlines now.

47 posted on 08/17/2002 7:23:30 AM PDT by NEBO
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To: ramdalesh
If they ever start arresting us for our thoughts, I am in trouble. But I NEVER act on my illegal thougts! I rarely have them, but when I do, my conscience takes over and stops me. With thought police, you will be arrested for a passing illegal thought! Even if you never react to them. This is just crazy.
48 posted on 08/17/2002 7:27:59 AM PDT by NEBO
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To: ramdalesh
In that way you can save millions of dollars. Just build one really powerful MRI telescope. Tell the people that your going to use it. Then use it, then the war is over.

it's easier than that... you don't even need to build the telescope... you just need to tell the people that you have done so...

49 posted on 08/17/2002 7:48:05 AM PDT by glock rocks
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To: kattracks
I don't suppose anybody named Kenneth knows what the frequency is?

Yet another democrat plot exposed. Why do you think JFK got everbody to stop wearing hats?
Guess the rappers/wannabees know what they're doing.

50 posted on 08/17/2002 8:06:22 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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