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Social Security diversity: Dems want to keep all eggs in one basket
Union Leader ^ | August 18 2002

Posted on 08/18/2002 7:58:19 AM PDT by 2Trievers

THEY REALLY SHOULD know better. The issue is not that difficult to understand. Social Security is going bankrupt. In one sense, it already is. According to the deputy director of the Congressional Budget Office, "Even calling it a trust fund can be misleading and confusing to retirees, members of Congress and the media alike. The trust fund holds not money but IOUs from the government to itself. No matter how healthy the trust fund is claimed to be, the economy must generate the cash needed to pay these IOUs to fund claims to eligible beneficiaries."

The Democrats have offered no solution for ensuring that Social Security becomes solvent. President Bush, with the help of a bipartisan commission co-chaired by legendary former Democratic Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, has. In response, all Democratic candidates do is try to scare the elderly by misrepresenting the President's proposals.

"Privatizing Social Security is a bad idea, not only because it is risky but because it will require raising taxes, cutting benefits, or both," Gov. Jeanne Shaheen has said.

This is not true. The only option that requires "raising taxes, cutting benefits, or both" is doing nothing, which is exactly what the Democrats are doing. Every one of the current Social Security reform plans pushed by Republicans would increase benefits for future retirees. How do we know this? Actuaries for the Social Security Administration have certified that each of the plans would do so.

"Privatizing Social Security through the establishment of private investment accounts will divert over one trillion dollars over the next 10 years away from current beneficiaries, creating a shortfall that can only be made up in one of three ways – higher taxes, reduced benefits, or huge deficits," said Martha Fuller Clark.

We've already addressed the lie that diversifying Social Security accounts by allowing people the option of putting some of their funds into stocks or bonds would raise taxes, cut benefits or both. What about the $1 trillion claim? Not true.

The Fuller Clark campaign says it got this figure from a December 2001 report by the Washington-based Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. We looked at that report. Far from saying that privatizing Social Security will drain $1 trillion from current beneficiaries, the CBPP report says the $1 trillion over 10 years is only a possibility and that the money would come from Social Security funds, a combination of additional payments individuals make into their private accounts and extra money transferrred from the federal budget.

A Katrina Swett press release said that allowing people to invest some of their Social Security contributions in private accounts would "play stock market roulette with Social Security funds."

Let's consider which is more risky, allowing individuals to diversify their Social Security funds by diverting up to 4 percent (the maximum amount that could be "privatized" under the Bush plan) or keeping the current system intact.

An individual retiring today would have realized a 1.74 percent annual return from Social Security, after inflation. Had that same individual invested only in the stock market, his return would have been almost three times as much, even after the past year's market declines, a Cato Institute analysis found.

Over the long term, stocks can be considered less risky than other investments. Wharton Business Scool finance professor Jeremy Seigel studied the stock market's history and found that over any 30-year period, the lowest stock market return was a 2.6 percent gain. The worst 30-year performance of Treasury bills was a loss of 1.8 percent. The worst 30-year performance of bonds was a loss of 2 percent. A Brookings Institution study found that even a worker retiring in 1933, when the stock market was at its lowest point in history, would have received an annual average return of 4 percent.

Under the bipartisan plans offered by the President, Social Security benefits would increase, individuals would have the option to invest a maximum of just 4 percent of their Social Security funds in private accounts, those private accounts would be the personal property of the beneficiary, and the system would not go bankrupt.

Under the current system, benefits are not guaranteed, the system will be unable to pay benefits by the time today's college graduates retire, and payroll taxes would have to be increased by more than $23 trillion to continue the current level of benefits.

Whether one calls it "privatization" or "personalization," allowing individuals to invest a tiny portion of their payroll tax money in an individual account is a great idea. Think of it this way: Would you invest all of your retirement money in one place? Of course not. So why let the federal government invest it that way? What is called "privatization" is better termed "diversification." Everyone knows that you should diversify your retirement investments. Why do the Democrats want to prevent people from doing this?



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: congress; socialsecurity

1 posted on 08/18/2002 7:58:19 AM PDT by 2Trievers
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To: 2Trievers
Even calling it a trust fund can be misleading and confusing to retirees, members of Congress and the media alike. The trust fund holds not money but IOUs from the government to itself.

Sounds like "Enron" accounting to me.

2 posted on 08/18/2002 8:02:51 AM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: TruthWillWin
There are no eggs and no basket, just a 15% tax to be spent anyway our leaders want, is my main problem with SS. I never expect to see a dime from them.
3 posted on 08/18/2002 8:08:19 AM PDT by steve50
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To: steve50
Leaders? All we have in the congress are a bunch of scam artists.
4 posted on 08/18/2002 8:40:30 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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To: steve50
just a 15% tax to be spent anyway our leaders want

Right. Further worth pointing out that the 7.65% that comes directly out of my and your income, which we never see, is still subject to income tax.

5 posted on 08/18/2002 8:42:10 AM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: 2Trievers
Why not get back on a sound basis...Demand the government replace every dime they have stolen from the SS fund for many years. Then make it a crime for any politicians to "borrow" a dime in the future. Perhaps then we could have a dialogue about "saving SS"...
6 posted on 08/18/2002 8:56:39 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: *Social Security
Index Bump
7 posted on 08/18/2002 10:25:23 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: cynicom
thats almost 40 TRILLION $$$$ fat chance of that happening- AL SHARPTON has a better chance of being elected Pres first
8 posted on 08/18/2002 10:30:36 AM PDT by Nat Turner
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To: Nat Turner
Sure would pay SS for awhile tho wouldnt it? Federal employees pension fund is also empty. Professional politicians with their sleight of hand over the years have bankrupted this couintry. There has never been "surplus" and never will be one. How does one have a surplus and owe trillions of dollars????
9 posted on 08/18/2002 10:36:25 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: 2Trievers
Think of it this way: Would you invest all of your retirement money in one place? Of course not. So why let the federal government invest it that way? What is called "privatization" is better termed "diversification." Everyone knows that you should diversify your retirement investments.

That's exactly the way to think about it.

10 posted on 08/18/2002 10:48:50 AM PDT by Mark Turbo
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To: cynicom
Don't forget the politician's reply "it's the economy stupid" and you and I are the ones in the crowd called stupid along with those that are truly stupid for putting up with this and electing the same "smart" guys all of the time.
11 posted on 08/18/2002 1:00:40 PM PDT by imawit
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To: 2Trievers
I'll turn 32 in November. I do not expect to receive any Social Security benefits. My wife and I invest in our 401(k) plans sponsored by our employers. My question is this: What effect will the bankruptcy of the Social Security system have on the stock market and the U.S. (and world) economy? And, what would be good investments to hedge against these effects?
12 posted on 08/18/2002 2:22:16 PM PDT by RAT_Poison
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To: Piquaboy
Scam artists....You see it ,I see it, when are these bums (Daschle,Gephardt)going to pay?
13 posted on 08/18/2002 7:25:51 PM PDT by CPT Clay
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To: 2Trievers
PJ O'Rourke in "Parliament of Whores" has some great stuff on social security and the flaws of Democracy in general.
14 posted on 08/18/2002 10:25:22 PM PDT by weikel
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To: cynicom
Damn I don't even want to comtemplate what the real cost for social security would be. Demand they pay back every dime are you insane? They can't raise taxes high enough to do that I know how they'll do it. By debasing the dollar.
15 posted on 08/18/2002 10:27:09 PM PDT by weikel
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To: weikel
"Authority has always attracted the lowest elements in the human race. All through history, mankind has been bullied by scum. Those who lord it over their fellows and toss commands in every direction and would boss the grass in the meadow about which way to bend in the wind are the most depraved kind of prostitutes. They will submit to any indignity, perform any vile act, do anything to achieve power. The worst off-sloughings of the planet are the ingredients of sovereignty. Every government is a parliament of whores. The trouble is, in a democracy the whores are us." ~ P. J. O'Rourke
16 posted on 08/19/2002 4:08:18 AM PDT by 2Trievers
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