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Challenging ignorance on Islam: A ten-point primer for Americans
ArabNews, Saudi Arabia ^ | 8-19-02 | Gary Leupp, Tufts University

Posted on 08/19/2002 3:45:27 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: dennisw
Hmmmm. . .this guy's area of 'expertise' seems to be Japan. So why is he opening his mouth about Islam? Obviously, he's no expert. LOL
21 posted on 08/19/2002 10:30:50 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
This guy is a very good propagandist. He's also a thoroughly unamerican puke.

****Jewish settlement and terrorism (well-documented by the Jewish Israeli historian Ilan Pappe) resulted in the displacement of 750,000 Palestinian Arabs (including both Christians and Muslims). ****

Notice how 'settlement' and 'terrorism' are one and the same to this nazi. No mention of the FACT that any Arab who wished to live in peace with the Israelis was given full citizenship and rights.

Make no mistake about it ... Israel is the problem for islamists and their apologists. Their foundational 'ground of being' philosophy is that the Jews must be driven out of the ME.

Well geopolitically the Jews have as much right to Israel as any other group and they have certainly established their claim by turning that land into a fruitful paradise compared to anything the Arabs ever did with it.

The Jews gave indiginous Arabs citizenship. All the Arabs have ever given the Jews is murder.

The Arabs have proven themselves unworthy of anything they demand. Israel should drive them out of Israel and to hell with the rest of the world's opinion.
22 posted on 08/19/2002 11:07:47 AM PDT by mercy
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
As an educator, in Asian Studies, at a fairly elite university I am painfully aware of this ignorance.

But not so elite as to preclude the misuse of commas, I see.

24 posted on 08/19/2002 1:26:22 PM PDT by nravoter
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To: Alouette
One can't help wondering if Leupp would praise capitalism as wholeheartedly as he does the Enlightenment, which he considers the direct result of capitalism.
25 posted on 08/19/2002 3:19:50 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: nravoter
I think I gave this nitwit too much credit in my preceding rant. This guy's problem is probably neither delusion nor denial. It's more likely stupidity.
26 posted on 08/19/2002 3:30:34 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Too many inaccuracies and errors to attempt a critique here. I have heard it all before and it is the same rant all subversive socialistic atheists proffer when they expound on any political subject.

He is headed for a very uncomfortable future.

27 posted on 08/19/2002 4:01:08 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: Savage Beast
May I be the first to say your "preceding rant" is
one of the finest rants on this issue I have read.
I am keeping it for "wider distribution" -- if you
don't mind. Bravo!
28 posted on 08/19/2002 4:02:43 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Misterioso
Thanks, Misterioso. One never knows whether one is making any sense or not. Of course I would be honored to be "distributed", and I really appreciate the feedback. --SB
29 posted on 08/19/2002 4:14:00 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: dennisw
re: resume))

Oh, good grief!! Another otherwise unemployable academic nobody of a loser. Queer theory in some Japanese backwater town is his idea of contribution to historical scholarship...

30 posted on 08/19/2002 4:17:42 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
This Needed to be BARFED!!!! Just like the following of the same ilk...

This is a WorldNetDaily printer-friendly version of the article which follows.
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Monday, August 19, 2002



Commemorating 9-11: Blaming America, exonerating Islam

Posted: August 19, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Michael Medved


© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

As we approach the first anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, what should we teach our children about the most devastating terrorist massacres in history?

According to recommendations provided by the nation's largest teacher's union, the most important points to emphasize involve the importance of "tolerance" and "diversity." The National Education Association links its website to a detailed list of "Tips for Parents and Schools Regarding the Anniversary of Sept. 11, 2001," prepared by Dr. Brian Lippincott of John F. Kennedy University in Orinda, Calif. Professor Lippincott insists that commemorative programs must avoid any suggestion that Islamic fanaticism can be blamed for the attacks, and that the most important way to protect ourselves from future assaults is to embrace all religions and sexual orientations.

Actually, the "Key Messages" recommended in his paper for anniversary celebrations include such politically correct nostrums as the declaration that "Violence and hate are never solutions to anger" and "America is strong because of our diversity," and "History shows us that intolerance only causes harm." According to Professor Lippincott, the prime example of such "intolerance" involves America's monstrous crimes against its own citizens. "We must not repeat terrible mistakes," he writes, demanding discussion of "historical instances of American intolerance. Internment of Japanese Americans after Pearl Harbor and the backlash against Arab Americans during the Gulf War are obvious examples."

Examples of what, precisely? Of America's unprecedented goodness and generosity? Even at the height of the Gulf War (and, so far, during the War on Terror), Arab Americans experienced no significant "backlash" – continuing to enjoy full civil rights and to sustain the conspicuous success that has characterized this hard-working ethnic group for nearly a century.

The NEA materials not only lie about past persecution of Islamic Americans, but also offer a grotesque distortion of current world affairs. Among the "Tips for Parents and Teachers," Lippincott suggests that we must "Address the issue of blame factually … Do not suggest any group is responsible." In other words, educators should avoid the implication that al-Qaida and the worldwide network of Islamic fanatics had something to do with the slaughter of Americans. "We have no reason to believe that the attacks on our country were part of an organized plan of any other country," the curriculum materials insist. "The terrorists acted independently without the sanctions of any nation."

What about Afghanistan, which welcomed Osama bin Laden as an "honored guest"? What about Saudi Arabia, which continues to raise money through telethons and the royal family to support international terrorism? What about Iraq, which lavishly praised the 9-11 attacks as a heroic blow against America?

According to the education establishment, we should avoid such unpleasant observations because "protecting against harassment of our Arab American classmates and neighbors is most critical right now. … We must embrace these values toward all Americans for all time. This includes race, religions, ethnicity, sexual orientation, and those with special needs."

Such pronouncements might seem merely ludicrous and laughable were they not so pathetically representative of the moral relativism that dominates elite opinion less than a year after 9-11. America remains the most tolerant and generous of nations, and incidents of persecution of Muslims and Arab Americans remain blessedly rare and relatively mild. Nevertheless, the relativists use paranoia over potential anti-Arab frenzy to stifle any honest discussion of patently dangerous – and deadly – elements in Islamic tradition.

Even the most cursory examination of the contemporary Muslim world would reveal profound religious and cultural dysfunction, with abject poverty, gross violation of human rights, and some of the most corrupt and vicious dictatorships on earth. The National Education Association, however, insists that teachers ignore these realities, because calling attention to them might undermine the unquestionable assumption that no religious tradition is more destructive, and no culture is more admirable, than others.

The most striking aspect of the materials promoted by the NEA involves the utter absence of any patriotic or pro-American messages – indeed, the only suggestion about emphasizing our history involves discussing "historical instances of American intolerance." In this "Alice-in-Wonderland" world of political correctness, we are supposed to mark the Sept. 11 anniversary with no mention of the brave people in our military who continue to risk their lives to protect our safety, and no hint as to why American values under present assault might be worth preserving and defending.

In the midst of World War II, a few Americans actively sympathized with the enemy – the pro-Mussolini poet Ezra Pound, and the Japanese propagandist Tokyo Rose come readily to mind. No one suggested, however, that we must avoid blaming Germany or Japan for the war because to do so might encourage "intolerance" of the Nazis or Axis sympathizers in our midst.

Let American Muslims declare their loyalty to this country, and their horrified rejection of Islamic fanaticism in all its forms. Indeed, most (but not all) Muslims in this country have taken precisely that stand. But it makes no sense to invoke the mantras of "diversity" and "inclusion" as a basis for denying the clear moral elements in this current struggle, or ignoring the obvious contrast between America and our bloodthirsty enemies. Tolerance may represent a worthy value, but it is evil and destructive to tolerate the intolerable.



31 posted on 08/19/2002 4:23:55 PM PDT by Paul Ross
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To: Misterioso; Savage Beast
Ditto.

BTTT.

32 posted on 08/19/2002 4:25:21 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: Savage Beast; Alamo-Girl; Travis McGee; Publius; buffyt; lawgirl; Patriot7; flamefront
BUMP! Excellent analysis.

I would amend your analysis by also pointing out that true Christianity (the more 'conservative' the more biblical in orientation) is in fact hallmarked by an enormous amount of individual liberty, of each person having their conscience (soul) and a personal walk with God...and each person must bear their own cross. Christianity and Judaism also shared the common messianic undertanding, that, doctrinally, we are subject to original sin, and need forgiveness. Hence a humility, and openess to correction, which, in the sincere followers, prevents a hardness of heart and hatred.

Hence, liberty and a previously unknown degree of religious freedom was UNIQUELY able to be fostered in the Americas, once Christianity got out from under the thumbs of monarchs and the papacy of the time (which didn't want any more reforms or protestants, thank you!). And our Constitution was a magnificent expression of that very confidence of true, practicing Christians.

Meanwhile, the Islamic countries still routinely kill anyone who converts to Christianity, or proselytizes to the Muslims. So much for liberty there.

33 posted on 08/19/2002 4:36:43 PM PDT by Paul Ross
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To: Tancred
Tancred - please send this to the good Professor. His e-mail is Gary.Leupp@tufts.edu.

I would love to see his reply. I think you sufficienly destroy his little think piece so that he won't dare reply.

Nice job! Cheers

34 posted on 08/19/2002 4:42:10 PM PDT by HardStarboard
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To: mercy
Re: "Notice how 'settlement' and 'terrorism' are one and the same to this nazi.

This is a good point that deserves to be expanded upon. I've given this a lot of thought since I've heard Saeb Arakat and other Arafat apologists make the same claim.

When Saeb Arakat says "1 settler = 1 suicide bomber" the listener has to ask themselves what is a thing, in and of itself?

1) These settlements are people, families, mothers fathers, brothers, and sisters living in houses and building their homes. Nothing more nothing less. Reasonable people may dissagree about where these families should build their houses, but that's a zoneing dispute, and little more. How do YOU settle zoneing disputes in your town? Do you strap a bomb on your 15 year old and send him to your neibors house to kill their kids because he got an illigal variance for his new deck? Of course not! You make your argument to the zoneing board, sometimes strenuasly, but NEVER with force! It's just not a pragmatic way to solve conflicts.

2) A homoside bomber, on the other hand, willingly, knowingly, and intentionally has the sole purpose of killing inosent people, defying the trust given to him by the comunity in which he lives, in a misguided hope that CNN will grant arafat just one last interview.

Item #2 is a crime.

Item #1 is not.

35 posted on 08/19/2002 5:05:18 PM PDT by ChadGore
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To: dennisw
LOL Thanks for posting that info.

Your Tax Dollars At Work, eh?

36 posted on 08/19/2002 5:11:38 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"We should invade [Muslim] countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

Columnist Ann Coulter, National Review Online, Sept. 13, 2001



sounds good and how about this one

Islam is the Enemy as the religion is false!..
37 posted on 08/19/2002 5:14:03 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Now I know that PhD really means Piled Higher and Deeper. What a bunch of crap.
38 posted on 08/19/2002 5:30:26 PM PDT by Militiaman7
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To: Paul Ross
Thank you so very much for the heads up! Interesting discussion!
40 posted on 08/19/2002 8:00:08 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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