Socialization and Mass Forced Schooling - Destroying the Civilization that has given rise to it.

etherzone.com ^ | August 21, 2002 | Frederick Fowler

[asformeandformyhouse]

I think you missed the point of the word FORCED. No one is FORCED to join the army, a corporation, university or any other of the examples you stated. These are all voluntry.

[asformeandformyhouse]

As a homeschooling parent, I often get the question: 'What about socialization?'. To which I reply: 'I'm not raising socialists'.

[Tailgunner Joe]

[MrB]

re: peer pressure

Is there such a thing as "beneficial adolescent peer pressure?"

Maybe in a church setting, or a school run by a church... otherwise, I don't think so.

[TopQuark]

I think you missed the point of the word FORCED. No one is FORCED to join the army, a corporation, university or any other of the examples you stated. These are all voluntry.

Two points. Firstly, one should distinguish the commitment to joint and the actions that haappen after one joins. It is true that the act of joining army, university, etc. is voluntary in our country (although, as you know, that has not always been the case either). After one joins, the army, there is hardly anything voluntary, however. And that was one of the points: life consits of most thinkgs that are not voluntary. Secondly, we are talking about children, in contrast to adults. The whole point of fiduciary duty of a parent is to make decisions for the child because he cannot. Whome schooling is no less forced therefore than sending a child to a pblic or private school: it is your decision.

[TopQuark]

"beneficial adolescent peer pressure?" Yes. For instance, if the graduates of a school predominantly go to college, the student is likely to acquire similar aspirations.

In general, why does it matter to go to a "good" school or university? In most universities, the science and mathematics instructors will be likely to answer any question an undergraduate student might have. What they mostly differ in is the student population, not faculty. Whom you are with affects you, and often beneficially so.

[PuNcH]

Instead of a father passing on to his son the traditions and customs of his country, we have teachers training children in the same way that a master trains his dog.

Even if this were true, this is an argument against the current state of public education, not public education as a form.

It is an argument against the current system and the lack of choice and competition from it. The quality of education will not improve sufficiently as long as the system is in place. The fastest way to change the system right now is to pull children out of public schools.

More importantly, there has never existed a school that had more influence on the child than family. The only reason that the issue even exists is that parents in America have abrogated their parental duties. It is into this parenting vacuum that other ideologies step in. The author should complain why our churches and synagogues are not keeping up with the times to provide effective guidance to children and parents.

Families and churches and synagogues cant expect to win a war against the kind of indoctrination that grinds away in the public school system. There is no reason to surrender your children over to the enemy based on the idea that you can beat them in a war over your own children. You cannot fight the system through children.

[TopQuark]

You cannot fight the system through children. I agree. I never said anything about the course of action: before deciding on it, one should address the situation first. Also, you focused on the personal apsect, whereas we were previously discussing the social one. The two are not in contradiction, and I agree with you.

[asformeandformyhouse]

Home schooling is no less forced therefore than sending a child to a public or private school: it is your decision.

True, but since the topic of the article was forced schooling AND socialization, the public/private school setting forces children to socialize only with those of the same age. I thought that was the topic of discussion, not the fact of compulsorary schooling, which is mandated by the states.

[TopQuark]

I thought that was the topic of discussion Yes, but my words to which you replied were actually an answer to a specific statement in someone's post.

[asformeandformyhouse]

Oops, my fault.

[TopQuark]

No fault at all, it happens to us all. Given the standpoint from which you were writing, I agree with your logic.
Regards, TQ

[SUSSA]

See this.

LINK

[Mmmike]

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[Mmmike]

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[headsonpikes]

I missed this one first time around.

Bloody brilliant!

No one should be able to look at public schools with the same innocent eye after reading this essay.

The public schools are the means of creating socialism in the USA - Deweyism as contrasted with Leninism.

American Socialism, rather than American Liberty, may yet rule the world. :^(

[Mmmike]

Bttt!

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

You can argue with some of the details but the fact remains:
Government "Education" = Government Propaganda

(I learned to read before starting school, so I was always a step ahead of the BS.)