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Socialization and Mass Forced Schooling - Destroying the Civilization that has given rise to it.
etherzone.com ^ | August 21, 2002 | Frederick Fowler

Posted on 08/20/2002 4:22:40 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

One of the most common arguments given against parents' teaching their children at home, and in favor of government-controlled schooling, is that, without schooling of the kind provided by our rulers, children cannot be socialized to life in modern America. But the question is never asked, exactly what is this socialization which Americans are supposed to impose on their children, and why is it of such great importance that many people give it more weight than any other aspect of schooling? If we look at the meaning of the word, we find two branches, one of which is that of making a person fit to deal with others, that is, giving him certain inhibitions and a rudimentary stock of manners, so that he will not offend other people. The other meaning of "socialize" is to organize or form in accordance with the principles and aims of socialism. This second meaning may seem to have little to do with the first one, but it will turn out in the end that it has much to do with the socialization that goes on in the schools.

It is significant that the word "socialization" is used for the process that takes place in the schools. This word sounds wonderfully scientific and up-to-date, and, in fact, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, it was first used in the early Nineteenth Century in what appears to be an article on economics and trade. It is a fitting word for what goes on in the public schools. Instead of a father passing on to his son the traditions and customs of his country, we have teachers training children in the same way that a master trains his dog. The child is to be socialized, to be conditioned by the school, so that he will behave as the government wants him to behave.

To understand what this socialization actually amounts to, we have to consider what takes place in the government schools. One of the first things that we notice is that Americans spend the whole of their childhood and their first few years as adults in government schools. The second thing we notice is that, in a government school, or in a school run along the lines of a government school, everyone is separated into groups, the most important group being that determined by the age of the people in it. The third thing that we notice is that not much learning is done. The fourth thing we see is that modern classroom schooling is designed to submerge the individual into the mass.

Modern schooling is actually but one piece of the whole process, which operates practically from their birth, of turning children into units of mass man. From the age of five or six up to the age of seventeen or eighteen, children are separated from their parents, divided into groups organized by age, and subjected to the authority of government agents. The bureaucratic structure of government schooling is designed for control, rather than for learning, and it has the effect of turning children into passive recipients of the training carried on by the teachers. Rigidly defined periods signalled by a bell, periodic announcements coming from the public address systems, frequent mass meetings-none of the these things are conducive to learning. Neither is the matter taught to children, nor are the techniques used to teach it, designed to facilitate real learning. Reading is deliberately taught in such a way, through "whole word" or "look-say" techniques, as to hinder any but the most determined child from ever learning to read. Young children spend several years going over the same elementary parts of arithmetic, and are encouraged to use "manipulatives", that is, to count on their fingers, when working out problems. Memorization is discouraged, and that at a time when the child delights in repeating lists and rules out loud, and his memory for new things and appetite for information are very keen. In later years, when the children reach the age at which reason awakens, formal logic never appears, not even logic of the simplest kind. If the children are lucky, they might learn something about reasoning from Euclidean geometry (if this subject is taught in their school), but, even then, reasoning is applied only to the task of proving theorems in geometry, and is kept isolated from all other subjects.

The real lesson taught in the government schools is the lesson of group identity and the omnicompetence of government. Group identity is one means by which government exacts the servile obedience demanded of children in the public schools. Rules abound, and they underline the assumption of absolute authority by the government. Guns are evil, and it is wicked even to draw a gun on a piece of paper, but guns in the hands of government agents are good. All drugs are very bad, even aspirin and drugs for allergies, unless the school nurse administers them. Singing Christmas carols, or even learning about the Nativity of our Lord, violates the 1st Amendment to the Constitution, but learning about Islam does not.

The group identities imposed upon children from their first day in school spawn gangs and cliques by the time the children reach high school, and these breed hatreds that sometimes erupt in mass murder. Real friendship is effectively discouraged because it separates children from the mass, and can even forge strong ties between children who are supposed to remain in their separate age groups; yet the schools attempt to force children to associate with all other children who are their own age, regardless of their interests or taste in friends. Group identity becomes the only identity allowed to the child.

The socialization brought about by the schools is an artificial condition that makes the modern child dangerously unfit for adult life. In socializing children, government schools do not teach them the moral virtues, they teach them to accept current cant. The public school teachers are not trying to impart courtesy, courage, or charity to their charges; they are conditioning them to believe that there is no such thing as truth, to esteem themselves, to be resentful of all intellectual or moral superiority in others. The separation of children by age makes them incapable of normal interaction with anyone who is very much older or younger than themselves even when they become older, and their separation from the adult world freezes them in a state of childishness that can persist throughout their lives.

Childishness is perhaps the main result of mass forced schooling. Because we are immersed in the world that we built up in the twentieth century, we tend not to notice that much of what we take for granted in our civilization was unheard of in previous ages. The concept of adolescence is one key to understanding what mass forced schooling and the modern culture it has helped to produce have done to human beings. Before the twentieth century, the idea that there is a sort of intermediate stage of life between childhood and adulthood would have been laughed at. A sixteen-year-old boy was considered a man, and expected to be making his way in the world, whether as a university student, or a journeyman craftsman, or a soldier. The difficulties that young men and women go through in their teens are not natural to their time of life; they are caused by a society and a system of schooling that treats adults as children, that deliberately prevents them from growing up.

Before the coming of mass forced schooling, girls of the age of eleven or twelve were not silly and childish, did not associate exclusively with one another, and were already learning to take on adult responsibilities. Before the late Nineteenth Century, young women of the age of fifteen were often already married and managing a household. In one case in late medieval times, a young Englishwoman of the age of fifteen married a merchant who traded internationally, and when he fell ill a year later, she took care of his business while she nursed him back to health. In the United States, during the War of 1812, David Farragut, who was the first admiral in the United States Navy, was commissioned midshipman on the warship Essex at the age of ten. He saw action on the Pacific coast of South America, and at the age of twelve he was chosen to command the prize crew of a captured British ship. In ancient Persia, at the age of seventeen, Cyrus the Younger, the second son of Darius II, the King of Persia at the time, was made the satrap of Lydia, Greater Phrygia, and Cappadocia, and the military commander of all of western Asia Minor. In colonial America, Benjamin Franklin had only two years of schooling, and yet he learned to read so early that he could not remember the time before he was able to read. By the time he reached twenty-six he had his own printing house where he was publishing his own newspaper, and he had begun to publish the work that made him famous, Poor Richard's Almanac.

Now, after more than one hundred years of mass forced schooling, a sixteen-year-old boy who loves to work with his hands, and who would be quite capable of learning how to use machine tools, and then earning his living as a skilled craftsman, is kept in a government institution all day long. When he is not in a classroom he is usually spending his time on "extra-curricular activities". If he works at all, it is as an employee in some service business. As a properly socialized "adolescent" he is, of course, incapable of independent thought and action. Someone else must originate everything that he does. If he must work during the school year, the best thing to do with him (after years of deliberately not teaching him how to do elementary arithmetic) is to stand him in front of a cash register in a Macdonald's.

After being graduated from high school, this young man may well go to college, and "earn" some sort of "degree". But intellectually he will remain a child all his life. He will be incapable of producing or following a chain of reasoning, and he will not be able to recognize invalid arguments, not even when he sees them in print and so has time to think about what he is reading. Because of this he will be an easy mark for propaganda, and tend to become a mere passive receiver of the artificially concocted emotions and attitudes manipulated by the propagandists. Long years of schooling will have made him incapable of learning anything on his own, and he will associate all learning with classroom instruction by a supposed expert. The absurd credentialism so prevalent in modern America will have laid hold of him, and he will see nothing odd in the existence of schools of journalism in universities.

This young man will bring the same attitude to the world of work, and it will be reinforced by the way in which corporations are organized. In fact, it is quite likely that the very structure of modern corporations is, at least in part, a result of the socialization imposed by modern schooling. The emphasis on "teamwork", and the way in which control and direction of work proceed from the top down, replicate the environment of schooling. The young man who goes through our system of schooling feels right at home in the corporate world, and he usually cannot even conceive of trying to escape it. Earning one's living in an independent manner, without being either an employee or an employer, is an idea utterly foreign to him.

In the long run mass forced schooling will destroy the civilization that has given rise to it. For the time being, our rulers will have what they want: willing slaves of the welfare state, docile workers for the corporations, and passive, easily manipulated subjects. The socialization of the schools has given rise to the kind of semi-socialist state that our rulers desired, but now it is affecting even them, and making them less and less capable of effectively wielding the power that they have arrogated to themselves. If we want to restore our commonwealth, we will have to do more than they did. They brought about the present state of affairs ostensibly for the sake of civilization. But civilization is not the highest and most important thing that there is, as many people, among them C. S. Lewis in his essay "First and Second Things", have pointed out. The will of God stands higher. And for that reason the ongoing movement for parents to pull their children out of the government schools is a good start: they are considering things more important than our modern civilization. As for how parents can teach their children so that they can resist the present trends, I can think of no better place to begin than to read Dorothy Sayers's talk "The Lost Tools of Learning."


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1 posted on 08/20/2002 4:22:40 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
If the ONLY way for children to be socialized to the American way of life is for the schools to teach them, then it follows that the schools are taking full credit (or blame) for the behaviour of American children. If this is so how do they explain Columbine?

Wait, wait, don't tell me, it's the NRA's fault, right?

2 posted on 08/20/2002 4:31:12 PM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: muir_redwoods
homeschooler bump
3 posted on 08/20/2002 4:35:24 PM PDT by mamaduck
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To: Tailgunner Joe
One of the most common arguments given against parents' teaching their children at home, and in favor of government-controlled schooling, is that, without schooling of the kind provided by our rulers, children cannot be socialized to life in modern America. A typical straw man method: no one said what the author is trying to refute. "Without schooling of the kind provided by our rulers" --- no one refers to schooling as socialization. IN fact, regardless of what kind of schooling a person has, socialization occurs because one does it with others; it is a corporate experience, regardless of its content.

But the question is never asked... why is it of such great importance that many people give it more weight than any other aspect of schooling? No one gives it more weight. The argument is that home schooling does not provide any socialization because it is an individual rather than collective experience.

If we look at the meaning of the word, we find two branches, one of which is that of making a person fit to deal with others, that is, giving him certain inhibitions and a rudimentary stock of manners, so that he will not offend other people. The other meaning of "socialize" is to organize or form in accordance with the principles and aims of socialism. No! Only when specifically referred to the means of production.

Instead of a father passing on to his son the traditions and customs of his country, we have teachers training children in the same way that a master trains his dog. Even if this were true, this is an argument against the current state of public education, not public education as a form.

More importantly, there has never existed a school that had more influence on the child than family. The only reason that the issue even exists is that parents in America have abrogated their parental duties. It is into this parenting vacuum that other ideologies step in. The author should complain why our churches and synagogues are not keeping up with the times to provide effective guidance to children and parents.

This author should read more before he starts writing.

4 posted on 08/20/2002 4:38:09 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
Many people oppose home schooling because they are swayed by the argument that it hurts the 'socialization process'. This process is nothing more than peer pressure. Socialization is the reason american children are doing drugs, having pre-marital sex and becoming criminals.

"But everbody else was doing it!"

5 posted on 08/20/2002 4:48:22 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: mamaduck
When It Comes To School, There's No Place Like Home!
6 posted on 08/20/2002 5:00:10 PM PDT by bearsgirl90
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To: TopQuark; toenail
When I went to school (9th grade), an english teacher asked me what I saw as the prime purpose of government ("public") education. I said learning skills like reading, writing, and math and she said no. The prime purpose: "socialization".
7 posted on 08/20/2002 5:08:28 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: secretagent
I'm almost done cleaning up the scan of the Reece Commission report, and I might have it done by tomorrow. I'll ping you to the thread when I post it.

Most people have no idea who created and maintains our indoctrination system, and why.

8 posted on 08/20/2002 5:27:33 PM PDT by toenail
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I am as appalled by the current state of affairs as you are. But one has to be precise: teh process of walking is different from the goal towards which you walk; and socialization is a process, not the content. Also, American chilfren were socializing before, yet drugs etc. were not a problem. Similarly, before 1968 one could buy guns by mail but there were not school shootings. In both cases, something else is at play. In the case of culture in general, I believe the lack of parenting that is responsible for moral decay. But once again, whether or not my explanations are correct, it addresses the content, whereas the socialization is a process. Finally, socialization is precisely what develops skills of dealing with peer pressure, which one experiences throughout life.
9 posted on 08/20/2002 7:57:16 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: secretagent
she said no. The prime purpose: "socialization". Well, she was wrong.
10 posted on 08/20/2002 8:30:05 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: toenail
Can you ping me too please? Thank you....:-)
11 posted on 08/20/2002 8:39:31 PM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: TopQuark
Finally, socialization is precisely what develops skills of dealing with peer pressure, which one experiences throughout life.

Big time disagreement here. Being in the middle of peer pressure doesn't help you deal with peer pressure - being removed from a non-stop force-fed diet of peer pressure during the years when you actually give a shit what your peers think and do is the best antidote. When my homeschooled kids, who by the way know about drugs and the losers who use them, leave home for college or whatever, that window of ultra vulnerability known as the teen years will be fading away and they will be YOUNG ADULTS who have bypassed - and therefore never developed an attachment to - the opinions of their same-age peers. They have spent their young lives trying to get the attention and approval of the MATURE people in their lives. That's not to say they don't have friends they like and want to be like - they do. But it's a far smaller influence than it would be were they in school. When it's time for them to fly I doubt very much that they will regress into adolescence; it will hold no attractions for them.

12 posted on 08/20/2002 8:39:55 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: Lizavetta
Creation/God...Christianity---secular-govt.-humanism/SCIENCE---CIVILIZATION!

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives(no govt religion--none) who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality... UNDER GOD---the nature of GOD/man/govt. does not change. These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH(limited NON-intrusive PC Govt/religion---schools)!

Evolution...Atheism-dehumanism---TYRANNY...

Then came the SPLIT SCHIZOPHRENIA/ZOMBIE/BRAVE-NWO America---

13 posted on 08/20/2002 8:50:37 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Lizavetta
When it's time for them to fly I guess this is where the gray area is: you prefer to keep the chicks under the wing longer than I.

Lizavetta: "force-fed diet of peer pressure during the years when you actually give a shit what your peers think and do is the best antidote..."

What a language, Lizavetta! I guess all us do succumb to environment a little bit.

14 posted on 08/20/2002 9:19:34 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Bump for read in the morning
15 posted on 08/20/2002 9:27:00 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: TopQuark
Finally, socialization is precisely what develops skills of dealing with peer pressure, which one experiences throughout life.

There is no other time in their lives when they will be FORCED to socialize only with their peers. Schools are a very artificial atmosphere; when they leave secondary school and go to college, they will be in classes with folks of different ages and will be CHOOSING with whom they will socialize on a regular basis. It may be other students their own age, or those who are older.

When they go out into the work world, they will have to deal with people of ALL ages, and if they've already learned how to do that while being homeschooled, they they will be that much farther ahead than their 'schooled' peers.

16 posted on 08/20/2002 10:33:34 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: TopQuark
We might view her as wrong, but I immediately thought of her when you wrote:

no one refers to schooling as socialization

She thought of socialization as the prime purpose of government schooling, so "no one" seems a bit extreme to me.

17 posted on 08/20/2002 11:06:36 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: secretagent
so "no one" seems a bit extreme to me. True as stated. As the context shows, I meant "no one else" and stand corrected. Thank you.
18 posted on 08/20/2002 11:24:06 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: SuziQ
With all due respect, Suzi, I cannot agree.

There is no other time in their lives when they will be FORCED to socialize only with their peers. Not true. Most universities deliberately pair very different people as roommates, precisely for that reason. If some one joins the military, he or she "will be FORCED to socialize only with" peers. When, after college, one joins the work force, one ineracts most of the time with peers. Schools are a very artificial atmosphere; So is a corporation. And the army. How about beeing bunched togetehr with a 1,000 guys on a navy ship? Do oil rigs come to mind? How about driving a truck with another person, suck in a cabin for a week --- is that natural?

when they leave secondary school and go to college, they will be in classes with folks of different ages and will be CHOOSING with whom they will socialize on a regular basis. Now you hit the nail on the head! For someone to choose, that person must know what he or she prefers. Should I prefere people who read a lot, I will choose in my environment the most well-read people; if, however, I prefer tennis players, I will choose such from my environment.

Life, however, involves several processes: learning what is available, that is the full spectrum of possibilities; deciding what you prefer among them; and, finding that which satisfies your prefernces. For instance, in chooosing a field, one answers the questions: (i) what professions do exist out there? (ii) which of these would I like to persue? (iii) in which company will I be most happy as a worker in the chosen profession?

As you can see, you have addressed only one of these. The proponents suggest, that the person first needs to go to stage one and see ALL kinds of people around him. That teaches him about the REALITY of what the world is. Observe that you do not have a different opinion about that --- in your post you did not even mention the other two stages, as if they do not exist.

19 posted on 08/20/2002 11:37:53 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
Evolution...Atheism-dehumanism---TYRANNY...

Then came the SPLIT SCHIZOPHRENIA/ZOMBIE/BRAVE-NWO Soviet-LIBERAL-Socialist America...

the post-modern age of switch-flip-spin-DEFORMITY-cancer...

Atheist secular materialists through ATHEISM/evolution CHANGED-REMOVED the foundations---demolished the wall(separation of state/religion)--trampled the TRUTH-GOD...

built a satanic temple/SWAMP-MALARIA/RELIGION(cult of darwin-marx-satan) over them---made these absolutes subordinate--relative and calling/CHANGING all the... residuals(technology/science) === TO evolution via schlock/sMUCK IDEOLOGY/lies/bias...

to substantiate/justify their efforts--claims...social engineering--PC--atheism...

anti-God/Truth RELIGION(USSC monopoly)--and declared a crusade/WAR--JIHAD--INTOLERANCE/TYRANNY(breaking the establishment clause)...

against(NEA-devilcrats--witch hunt/vetters) God--man--society/SCIENCE!!

20 posted on 08/21/2002 2:25:53 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: TopQuark
I think you missed the point of the word FORCED. No one is FORCED to join the army, a corporation, university or any other of the examples you stated. These are all voluntry.
22 posted on 08/22/2002 8:39:33 AM PDT by asformeandformyhouse
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To: All
As a homeschooling parent, I often get the question: 'What about socialization?'. To which I reply: 'I'm not raising socialists'.
23 posted on 08/22/2002 8:43:23 AM PDT by asformeandformyhouse
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To: asformeandformyhouse

24 posted on 08/22/2002 1:53:41 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Lizavetta; TopQuark
re: peer pressure

Is there such a thing as "beneficial adolescent peer pressure?"

Maybe in a church setting, or a school run by a church... otherwise, I don't think so.

25 posted on 08/22/2002 2:08:34 PM PDT by MrB
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To: asformeandformyhouse
I think you missed the point of the word FORCED. No one is FORCED to join the army, a corporation, university or any other of the examples you stated. These are all voluntry.

Two points. Firstly, one should distinguish the commitment to joint and the actions that haappen after one joins. It is true that the act of joining army, university, etc. is voluntary in our country (although, as you know, that has not always been the case either). After one joins, the army, there is hardly anything voluntary, however. And that was one of the points: life consits of most thinkgs that are not voluntary. Secondly, we are talking about children, in contrast to adults. The whole point of fiduciary duty of a parent is to make decisions for the child because he cannot. Whome schooling is no less forced therefore than sending a child to a pblic or private school: it is your decision.

26 posted on 08/22/2002 5:53:44 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: MrB
"beneficial adolescent peer pressure?" Yes. For instance, if the graduates of a school predominantly go to college, the student is likely to acquire similar aspirations.

In general, why does it matter to go to a "good" school or university? In most universities, the science and mathematics instructors will be likely to answer any question an undergraduate student might have. What they mostly differ in is the student population, not faculty. Whom you are with affects you, and often beneficially so.

27 posted on 08/22/2002 5:58:26 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
Instead of a father passing on to his son the traditions and customs of his country, we have teachers training children in the same way that a master trains his dog.

Even if this were true, this is an argument against the current state of public education, not public education as a form.

It is an argument against the current system and the lack of choice and competition from it. The quality of education will not improve sufficiently as long as the system is in place. The fastest way to change the system right now is to pull children out of public schools.

More importantly, there has never existed a school that had more influence on the child than family. The only reason that the issue even exists is that parents in America have abrogated their parental duties. It is into this parenting vacuum that other ideologies step in. The author should complain why our churches and synagogues are not keeping up with the times to provide effective guidance to children and parents.

Families and churches and synagogues cant expect to win a war against the kind of indoctrination that grinds away in the public school system. There is no reason to surrender your children over to the enemy based on the idea that you can beat them in a war over your own children. You cannot fight the system through children.

28 posted on 08/22/2002 6:28:32 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: PuNcH
You cannot fight the system through children. I agree. I never said anything about the course of action: before deciding on it, one should address the situation first. Also, you focused on the personal apsect, whereas we were previously discussing the social one. The two are not in contradiction, and I agree with you.
29 posted on 08/22/2002 6:44:59 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
Home schooling is no less forced therefore than sending a child to a public or private school: it is your decision.

True, but since the topic of the article was forced schooling AND socialization, the public/private school setting forces children to socialize only with those of the same age. I thought that was the topic of discussion, not the fact of compulsorary schooling, which is mandated by the states.

30 posted on 08/23/2002 6:38:58 AM PDT by asformeandformyhouse
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To: asformeandformyhouse
I thought that was the topic of discussion Yes, but my words to which you replied were actually an answer to a specific statement in someone's post.
31 posted on 08/23/2002 10:23:34 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
Oops, my fault.
32 posted on 08/23/2002 12:01:15 PM PDT by asformeandformyhouse
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To: asformeandformyhouse
No fault at all, it happens to us all. Given the standpoint from which you were writing, I agree with your logic.
Regards, TQ
33 posted on 08/23/2002 2:35:10 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: Tailgunner Joe
See this.

LINK

34 posted on 08/23/2002 2:40:31 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Tailgunner Joe
bttt
35 posted on 10/29/2002 12:27:54 PM PST by Mmmike
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To: Tailgunner Joe
bttt
36 posted on 03/05/2004 9:38:03 AM PST by Mmmike
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Mmmike
I missed this one first time around.

Bloody brilliant!

No one should be able to look at public schools with the same innocent eye after reading this essay.

The public schools are the means of creating socialism in the USA - Deweyism as contrasted with Leninism.

American Socialism, rather than American Liberty, may yet rule the world. :^(
37 posted on 03/05/2004 11:01:21 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Bttt!


38 posted on 06/25/2005 4:08:10 PM PDT by Mmmike
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To: TopQuark

You can argue with some of the details but the fact remains:
Government "Education" = Government Propaganda

(I learned to read before starting school, so I was always a step ahead of the BS.)


39 posted on 06/25/2005 4:21:31 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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