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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Wow. Thank you for your insight, and for clearing up my problems. Once again, I hope that I didn't offend any of our great Americans who fought in the Valley of Death or Vietnam (or any war for that matter). And if the events depicted in the film are the real McCoy, more power to them for keeping it genuine. I had just heard that there was some artistic license in the film, and I thought some of the things I mentioned (such as Bruce Crandall's gun incident, and Hal Moore's refusal to take cover) might be a Hollywood invention. I was judging strictly as a film critic and fan of war films.

The convenient thing about film is that it provides us civilians with a way to experience the carnage of war without risk. And since seeing Private Ryan and Apocalypse Now, my views on the reality of war have changed dramatically. The pledges in my fraternity used to interview older brothers as part of initiation, and one of the things they used to ask me was, "If you could go back to any time in history, where would you go?" I always replied that I would like to have stormed the beach at Normandy so I could kill some Nazis and be part of the largest invasion force in history. After watching the Normandy scene in SPR, I felt like a complete idiot. Having never been in combat, it really opened my eyes to how horrid it is. Yeah, I knew getting shot is bad (duh) and that a lot of your buddies died, and it was hard and that veterans always deserved respect. But hey, in combat, you're fighting for your country, right? Any doubts or pain would be rectified by the greater good, right? And if you died it was your time, right? Boy was I stupid. I guess I had no point of reference for something so unbelivably horrid.

I guess this sounds pretty juvenile and stupid to combat vets, but there's only so much a 19 year old with no military experience can grasp (I was 19 when it came out). I feel no embarrasment in saying these things because I think it only heightens the sacrifice endured and the respect earned by veterans. But I feel a little shame because a lot of the boys on Omaha were only 17 or 18. They grew up long before I did.

I didn't join the military, but always thought that I would go if called, without question. Those scenes gave me a glimpse into what a real sacrifice it is. I guess I never envisioned the blood, exploding chests, dismembered limbs, heads blowing off, guts hanging out, men crying for their mothers after they'd been cut in half, etc. SPR really woke me up. The Longest Day it wasn't.

My points had no intention of disagreeing with the VALUES of the film, which were spectacularly rendered (it brought to mind The Rules of Engagement, another great Hollywood PRO-military movie), and maybe I should have been more clear about that.

With the insights given on WWS, I will definitely enjoy it more on the next viewing. I also fully intend to read the book version (after I'm done with The 6 Day War by Michael Oren, killer read).

56 posted on 08/21/2002 8:37:36 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner
"I guess this sounds pretty juvenile and stupid to combat vets ..."

Yes it does and is.
61 posted on 08/21/2002 8:52:38 PM PDT by marajade
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To: GunRunner; marajade
ALOHA GunRunner...

...I'm so very proud of your openess about our .."WE WERE SOLDIERS".. Story.

...The Biblical Interpretation of the word MEEK is defined as .."Being Open and Teachable".. which you have certainly proven to be here on this Forum Thread that was fired up in honor of those 7th Cavalry IA DRANG-1965 Heroes whose names took the place of mine on the 3rd Panel of the Vietnam Wall.

GARRY OWEN, Sir
75 posted on 08/22/2002 5:16:18 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE
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