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It is important to remember that the federal government didn't just go off and start trying to murder its citizens for no reason. The government also didn't stage September 11th (killing thousands) over some secret evil plan.

The government did not go after Randy Weaver because of his beliefs, they went after him because he was a criminal and fugitive. He was not abiding by the Constitution nor allowing for the due process of law.

Weaver was guilty of selling illegal weapons to who he believed was a terrorist; planning to rob banks, blow up damns, and kidnap children. These facts are from Randy Weaver's own book, and the book "Every knee will bow." None of the FBI agents wanted to be there, they were there serving the Constitution and the American people, attempting to bring a criminal to justice.

14 year old boys (with other armed gunmen) shooting at you is a legitimate threat. The crime is Randy Weaver arming his family and telling them to shot cops in order to prevent him from going to jail.

Vicky Weaver is another story, but she was armed at the time she was shot. She was wearing a holstered weapon, but the sniper couldn't see it, making this the most questionable action in the case.

Ruby Ridge was a tragic, but it is important not to lose sight of the fact that the law enforcement officers were there doing their jobs. They did not set out to exchange any gun fire or wish to exchange fire with the Weavers, they did so because Weaver stated many times through friends that he would kill anyone attempting to arrest him.

Like David Koresh, Weaver hid behind woman and children to protect himself from going to jail, and then blamed the government for trying to arrest him.

The columbine school murders were also performed by individuals that felt the police did not have the right to arrest them for crimes (breaking into a car in that case).

The government made some mistakes during Ruby Ridge. Policies have been changed in order to prevent such mistakes from taking place in the future. The bottom line is that New Students that have never heard of Ruby Ridge should not be taught of a tyrannical government that never existed, but should recognize that when government agents are placed in deadly situations and are placing their lives on the line to protect the honest citizens of America; some times mistakes are made. They should be acknowledged, corrected, and we should move on to live in a peaceful civilization. Weaver's mistakes should also be expressed so the New Students will not support terrorists wishing to engage in crimes against humanity, and should be told to trust in the due process of law and the principles this nation was founded on. After Weaver finally was arrested he did have a fair trial; if he only would have trusted in the principles of this country in the first place, he would have been spared a great deal of unnecessary pain. If you commit a crime, murdering anyone that attempts to make you pay for your crime (or telling your children to do it for you) is not the way we handle things in America.
106 posted on 09/28/2006 1:52:38 PM PDT by PeterPatriot
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To: PeterPatriot
The government did not go after Randy Weaver because of his beliefs

That's exactly why the Feds targeted Weaver.

Weaver was guilty of selling illegal weapons to who he believed was a terrorist;

Wrong again. Weaver wasn't convicted of selling illegal weapons.

14 year old boys (with other armed gunmen) shooting at you is a legitimate threat.

Weavers son didn't fire at anyone until the Marshalls fired. They killed his dog. The Weaver boy cranked off a couple of rounds, hit Marshall Dugan and then ran away. The Marshalls shot him in the back.

The crime is Randy Weaver arming his family and telling them to shot cops in order to prevent him from going to jail.

This is a bald faced lie. Weaver wasn't charged with any such thing.

Vicky Weaver is another story, but she was armed at the time she was shot

No she wasn't but it wouldn't have made any difference if she was. Mrs. Weaver was murdered plain and simple.

Ruby Ridge was a tragic, but it is important not to lose sight of the fact that the law enforcement officers were there doing their jobs

Which Law Enforcement officers are you talking about? Do you mean the Prosecutor who deliberately gave Weaver an incorrect court date? Do you mean the BATF agents who lied to the Judge? Do you mean the Marshalls who were trespassing on Weavers land without the benefit of a duly constituted Warrant? Do you mean the FBI SAIC who wrote what were later found in Court to be un-Constitutional 'Rules of Engagement'? And do you mean all those violations of Weavers rights, court procedures, and outright perjury on the part of these 'law enforcement' are part of their jobs?

The bottom line is that New Students that have never heard of Ruby Ridge should not be taught of a tyrannical government that never existed, but should recognize that when government agents are placed in deadly situations and are placing their lives on the line to protect the honest citizens of America; some times mistakes are made.

These weren't 'mistakes' newbie. These were criminal actions on the part of more than one 'law enforcement' agent in the paid employ of the Federal government which resulted in the murders of people who weren't charged with any crime.

some times mistakes are made. They should be acknowledged, corrected, and we should move on to live in a peaceful civilization.

How exactly were these 'mistakes' corrected? Did one single Federal officer spend one single night in jail? Did one single Federal officer pay so much as a five dollar fine? Was anyone fired? Was anyone disciplined in any way?

Weaver's mistakes should also be expressed so the New Students will not support terrorists wishing to engage in crimes against humanity

Randy Weaver was not a terrorist. He wasn't charged with it, he wasn't tried for it, and he certainly wasn't ever convicted of anything but 'failure to appear'. Your accusing him of supporting terrorism is slander.

After Weaver finally was arrested he did have a fair trial

It's amazing how compliant he got after the Feds murdered his wife and kid....

if he only would have trusted in the principles of this country in the first place, he would have been spared a great deal of unnecessary pain.

Weaver actually did. The Feds lied to him about his court date.

If you commit a crime, murdering anyone that attempts to make you pay for your crime

Once again; Randy Weaver was charged with, and found not guilty of, the charge of murder in a court of law.

Funny thing, though. The FBI agent who shot Vicki Weaver in the face never had to go to trial....

L

112 posted on 09/29/2006 12:49:28 AM PDT by Lurker (islam is not a religion. It's the new face of Fascism in our time. We ignore it at our peril.)
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To: PeterPatriot; Lurker; darkwing104; Darksheare

Let the thread die troll!!!


114 posted on 09/29/2006 1:24:03 PM PDT by MikefromOhio ("...America has confronted evil before, and we have defeated it...")
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